Keys to Success in 2015

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  1. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

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    1. Run the football. Chris Ivory is a tank who should be getting the rock 25+ times a game.. He gets better as the game goes on. When he is in a groove, and getting 5+ yards a carry, DON'T take him out.

    2. Running the football consistently, will in turn open the passing game which will keep defenses honest, enabling Geno to complete more passes.

    3. Time of Possession. If you want to beat Brady twice a season, you need to keep him off of the field. This also helps keep the defense well rested and ready to go. The defense had breakdowns towards the end of games last year because they were on the field 35+ minutes a game. Can't blame them.

    4. Turnovers. Turnovers. Turnovers. Limit them on offense, create them on defense.

    5. Discipline. If I see another 12 men on the field penalty, I am going to hurl myself off a building.

    6. 60 minutes of football.. This team tends to pick a half and play lights out said half.. Play 60 minutes of sound smart football, and we are a hell of a team to beat.

    7. Red Zone efficiency. When we get inside the 20, score... Touchdowns.

    8. Stay healthy. Very important.


    If we do these things, there is no reason we can't make the playoffs, or even compete for the division title.

    Feel free to add some more.
     
  2. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    9. Throw the billboard nitwits in jail.

    10. Keep the reporters away from Bowles' mom.
     
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  3. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    You could say those same things about the rest of the league
     
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  4. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    I think it boils down to 4, 5 and 8.

    Good QB play will fix 4. 5 is a question of coaching. 8 is the fates at work.

    I'd add one more, which is that the Jets have to play to win the game on offense. We've been dealing with 3+ years of damage control at this point on that side of the ball. The Jets have to be looking to really score some points or everything else could go right and they're still going to go 9-7 and on the bubble.
     
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  5. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

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    I agree.. They need to be much more aggressive on offense. I can't see too many teams scoring more than 17 on us a game, so we really aren't asking for much here.. Would be nice to shake things up and put up 30+ points a game though on a regular basis.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Mrs. Bowles is deceased. So I don't think we'll have that problem. The NY Media can be sharks but I don't think they are grave robbers
     
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  7. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    I'd be happy if they just put up 24 points on a consistent basis. In 48 games since 2012 the Jets have managed to score 24+ points only 14 times. That's why the team has been so bad over that span.

    In the 34 games they have been under 24 points they are 8-26.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    How does that compare to the rest of the league though? just curious. 24 points per game seems like a lot to me.

    This team as constructed isn't going to be scoring 24 points per game consistently. If they are 8-26 in games they scored less than 24 points that seems like a problem with the defense/coaching than just the offense to me as well. They shouldn't have to HAVE to score 24+ consistently with the talent on the defenses here for the last 5-10 years.
     
  9. Br4d

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    It doesn't matter how it compares in terms of W-L. It matters how it compares in terms of frequency.

    The Fins have scored 24+ points 18 times in the last 3 years.
    The Bills have scored 24+ points 19 times in the last 3 years.
    The Pats have scored 24+ points 33 times in the last 3 years.

    Wins over that span:

    Fins 23
    Bills 21
    Jets 18
    Pats 36

    You have to score points to win games and the Jets haven't reached critical mass on offense as often as the other 3 teams in the division recently. That's why they are last in wins over the last 3 years.

    The Patriots are 8-9 when they don't reach 24 points in a game. They're under .500.
    The Fins are 8-22 when they don't reach 24 points.
    The Bills are 10-19 when they don't reach 24 points.

    What all this adds up to is that 24 points is not a lot of points to score if you want to win. If you want to win you have to be planning to score 24 points a game.

    Patriots 24+ 28-3, Patriots 23- 8-9.
    Fins 24+ 15-3, Fins 23- 8-22
    Bills 24+ 11-8, Bills 23- 10-19
    Jets 24+ 10-4, Jets 23- 8-26
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    #4 is the biggest issue the Jets have

    We were 29th in the NFL in TO differential last season. The best teams are always in the top 5 or 6. We need to start generating more turnovers and giving the ball up less. You are a big time player in this league if you can generate more chances for the offense. That will get you 24PPG
     
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    LOL, I was going to say that, but you beat me to it!
     
  12. BrowningNagle

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    Idk about that... I am not so sure it matters in terms of frequency. Obviously I would like my favorite team to score more points because the likelihood of winning is obviously going to be better the more you score ...

    but if you look at the Rex Ryan era for example, the one constant throughout his tenure was poor offenses. They were never scoring 24 points per game consistently ever. The difference between the 1st 3 years where he went 32-22 (including playoffs) with 2AFCCG Appearances vs.
    the last 3 years where we went 18-30 with no playoffs was the change in points ALLOWED IMO.

    The offense certainly had a hand in that with turnovers literally giving the other team points or ineptitude catching up to them but I also think teams starting figuring out Rex's defense a little. The combination of the 2 took the Jets from winning games like 20-17, 17-14, etc. more often than not to losing games 24-20, 24-17, more often than not.

    Obviously when you score less points your margin for error is higher. Which is why turnovers, penalties, a small lapse in coverage hurts you worse of you don't score a lot , but those things were also not getting cleaned up either.

    I think with this roster its a pipe dream to hope they can score 24+ more consistently. I think that will be difficult to achieve and would not be practical to benchmark. I think the better path with the current roster is to focus more on the POINTS ALLOWED. Get the most out of this stacked defense, fix the turnover disparities we've been having for years and limit mistakes. Then they will get back to winning the 20-17 type games like they used too.
     
  13. Br4d

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    The 2009 and 2010 Jets teams went 17-3 when scoring 24+ points including the playoffs. They went 7-11 when scoring 23 points or less including the playoffs.

    The reason the 2009 and 2010 Jets teams made the playoffs was because they scored 24+ points more than half the time and dominated the league in those games. They limited the damage in the other games with a very strong defense.

    You cannot win in the NFL without trying to score a bunch of points in the process. There's no random event that can beat you when you have a 2 score lead.

    Note that you cannot make up the difference between the 2009 and 2010 teams and the 2012 to 2014 bunch on defense. The defense didn't gain the Jets as many wins as having a functional offense did.

    Where you see the difference is in the number of times the 2009 and 2010 offense was functional and the 2012 to 2014 offense was functional.
     
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  14. BrowningNagle

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    obviously when you score more than 24 points a game you are going to win. I am not arguing that point. I am saying, good luck with that. Look at this roster. The other teams are going to have a say about that goal
     
  15. Br4d

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    Right, but rolling over and doing the same thing we've been doing just isn't going to work unless the 2015 Jets defense looks like the '76 Steelers, the '85 Bears or the '00 Ravens.

    Job 1 for the Jets right now is finding a QB who can put 24 points up on the board on a consistent basis. Until we do that we're going to be twisting in the wind, always an injury or two away from a terrible season.
     
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    13. Score more points than the other team.
     
  17. Burnz

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    1. QB play
    2. Turnover differential
    3. Coaching
     
  18. BrowningNagle

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    there's 25+ football teams in this 32 team league that need a QB that can put up 24 consistently. That kind of thing doesn't grow on trees and certainly isn't something we have right now. It would be nice to win some football games in the short term.

    You don't have to be the all time greatest defenses to win games with defense btw.. I don't even know why you felt the need to reference them. Its silly. It would be silly if I made the claim that you just want to make this team like 'the greatest show on turf' St. Louis teams. We will never see a'76 steelers, '85 bears, '00 ravens again in this league again IMO.

    Being the 2014 Cardinals though, who finished 11-5, created lots of turnovers, limited mistakes and averaged only 19 points per game is possible and closer to reality.. If they didn't have injuries they very well could've made a run at the SB. That's just one example but relevant because they had our coach
     
  19. Br4d

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    The Rex Ryan Era had two distinct phases. The first was 2009 to 2011 when he had an effective offense and the second was 2012 to 2014 when he didn't.

    From 2009 to 2011 the Jets were just as likely to get to 24 points as to miss it. If you look at the regular season only the Jets had 8 games at 24+ points in 2009. They had 10 games at 24+ points in 2010. They had 9 games at 24+ points in 2011. They went 23-4 in those 27 games.

    In the games they went 23 points or less in the regular season from 2009 to 2011 the Jets went 5-16.

    After 2011 things changed dramatically. The Jets offensive line had deteriorated dramatically by that point, losing 3 of the 5 2009 starters. All the trade ups had begun to haunt the Jets with the WR corps deteriorating with no adequate replacements through the draft. The RB's had declined, going from workhorse Thomas Jones, to aging star LaDainian Tomlinson to average guys like Shonn Greene and Bilal Powell. The TE, Dustin Keller, got hurt and his replacements were of the 1 year fill-in and hopeful prospect type. The QB, Mark Sanchez, played hurt a lot and the pressure of a huge contract and the declining support around him further eroded his play. Truth be told he was really a complementary QB who needed great players around him to protect him and to make plays on a regular basis.

    The reason the Jets collapsed was that the offense collapsed. There was some deterioration on defense but Rex could always get something out of them. What he couldn't do was compensate for an erratic offense that couldn't shoot straight most of the time.

    For the Todd Bowles era to be different the Jets offense is going to have to be at least as good as the Rex Ryan offense was from 2009 to 2011. Really it is going to have to be better because whenever that Ryan team ran into another good defense matched with a solid offense or a great offense there were problems.
     
  20. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Rex never had an effective offense. Maybe* 2010 I guess. they had a talented offense but they weren't very effective/efficient. They were always erratic on that side of the ball

    a lot of that was his own damn fault
     

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