this would be a good point if fitzpatrick turned into a good NFL quarterback, which he didnt. can geno become mediocure at some point? maybe. its unlikely he will and its extremely unlikely he becomes good. When exactly did ryan fitzpatrick become the measuring stick of greatness?
This wasn't really a response to the post, which mentioned that games are meaningful...to someone, somewhere. Jobs are won and lost. But, I get it: any opportunity to mention Smith's bad games should be taken because to do otherwise makes you a "Smith fan" and that Because these stats tell but a part of the story that could be enhanced with ranking the OL, the defense, special teams, WRs, play calling. A QB doesn't play by himself. This isn't Madden.
Fitzpatrick first full seasons were in 2008 and 2009, in his 4th and 5th years. Fitz registered 70 and 69 QB ratings in his first 2 starting seasons. Geno, meanwhile, registered about equal or better QB ratings in his first 2 years. This is the case despite the fact Fitz began starting several years after he was drafted. Even Fitz's QB rating in his 3rd starting year (his 6th season) was only a mere 4 points at 81 better than Geno's 77 in 2014. If Geno continues along his trajectory, he will be substantially better than Fitz. After all, he began better.
no one is saying ignore the numbers. everyone is saying that sample size matters. you cant just point to one game and say "look geno was great that game, so he must be great". you need to look at the entire sample, and that entire sample is awful. To use a baseball analogy, no one since Ted Williams in the 1940's has hit .400 for an entire season. Last night alone, for 1 game, over 50 players hit .400 the point, it isnt difficult for anyone, good averge or great to have 1 great game. but being able to do it again and again over the course of a season is what determines how good of a player you are.
You missed my point entirely: Fitzpatrick is Smith's competition on THIS team, with a few advocating that he should be the starter. It's a comparison between the options the Jets currently have and meant to show that a QB often improves as he gains experience. Would you like me to post Peyton Manning's first two years?
that isnt really saying much. and i dont think anyone ever said geno couldnt be an average qb at some point. anyone talking about fitz just thinks that right now fitz is better, which isnt a crazy argument
You're right. But you didn't really explain what is significant about the last 15 years, so I ignored this constraint.
Hmmm, actually some have stated that with "average" QB play the Jets would be a playoff team. I'm just stating that Smith's performance isn't beyond the expected for rookies and second year starters, guys like multiple-Super Bowl winning Eli Manning, for example: 2006 New York Giants 16 522 301 57.7 32.6 3,244 6.2 202.8 24 4.6 18 3.4 55T 33 8 25 186 77.0 2005 New York Giants 16 557 294 52.8 34.8 3,762 6.8 235.1 24 4.3 17 3.1 78T 49 8 28 184 75.9 2004 New York Giants 9 197 95 48.2 21.9 1,043 5.3 115.9 6 3.0 9 4.6 52 11 4 13 83 55.4
Geno's numbers are about as good or almost as good now as Fitz was in year 4 and 5. This trend portends Geno will likely be better than Fitz in general, which means he will be better than average (if you consider Fitz average).
Like any of the Smith detractors EVER mention a positive. GTFOH: when they start mentioning the positives, I'll start mentioning the negatives. Otherwise, the thread has the likelihood becoming "unfair and biased" as opposed to what it currently is.
Yep, you said "avoid numbers" which seems to be the same thing. [hah, I was just looking that up, btw] I don't agree anyway: just because the entire set of numbers paints an "ugly" picture doesn't mean that extracting numbers that support an argument is cherry picking. Each set of numbers measures something different. So, if Smith is good on the road, one can point to the numbers and say "Smith is a better QB on the road than he is at home". The argument is not flawed and is supported by specific relevant statistics, i.e., Smith's rating at home compared to his rating on the road. And, to be fair, what exactly comprises "all" the relevant statistics? Does it matter, for example, if Smith's receivers are David Nelson and Stephen Hill? Does it matter if Decker is injured and someone who hasn't been getting reps as a starter is starting that game or has to come in in the 2nd quarter? Does it matter how many penalty yards are assessed in the Red Zone to the OL? Generally, one is never going to have ALL the relevant statistics to leverage in an argument. And one generally mentions the statistics in support of one's argument, not ALL the statistics. The Smith Haters are just as "guilty" of cherry picking as are his fans: they point to the numbers they feel support their arguments and ignore the rest.
Bottom line Geno is probably under center for our Jets opening day so yes, I'm gonna look at his few positives (like having the 2nd best QBR over the last 4 games of 2014, 2nd only to p. manning) and hope for the best. My glass is half full. Now if Geno was starting for the Bills I'd have just as much fun burning him at the stake. But he's our guy and our season depends on his progress so I'm at least 'hoping' for the best. I'm not going to let the possibility of Geno driving the Porsche off the cliff ruin my pre-season giddiness.
Astute observation. To be sure I don't think momentum is his only problem, but he is too susceptible to it, making a poor trend worse by contributing bad play. He accelerates downward spirals rather than turning them around.
Only objective? No. Primary objective? Yes, certainly. I want him gone. And I want someone else to have an opportunity to prove they are worse than Geno before he gets to play again.
Personally I like the comment that they could have named Fitzpaterick a starter(even with his broken leg) lmao
Or named a rookie from a spread offense who had never even checked into the building as the starter. Yeah, Bryce Petty is our stater. Sheer stupidity. In an effort to protect that fan boi's hero. _
