...according to an NFL.com article WOW, this has to make Jets fans happy! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ets-and-eagles-among-nfls-most-talented-teams "The recent emphasis on the quarterback position has led many to believe the presence of a franchise signal-caller is the only thing that matters when it comes to building a championship team in today's game. While it certainly is easier to make a run at the brass ring with one of the NFL's elite quarterbacks on your roster, the overwhelming majority of championship teams feature lineups that are chock-full of blue-chip players who don't play the game's most important position. These rosters typically include eight to 10 blue-chippers (difference-makers/Pro Bowl-caliber talents) at various positions, with most having at least one within every position group." 4) New York Jets Blue chips (6): CB Antonio Cromartie, C Nick Mangold, WR Brandon Marshall, CB Darrelle Revis, DTSheldon Richardson, DE Muhammad Wilkerson. On the rise: LB Demario Davis. Todd Bowles and Mike Maccagnan have engineered quite a roster makeover since taking over the Jets at the beginning of the year. Despite inheriting a star-studded defense, the Jets' brain trust added a pair of shutdown corners in Revis and Cromartie to suffocate opposing passing games. Given the dominant play of Wilkerson and Richardson at the point of attack, Gang Green's defense could single-handedly lead the team into the playoffs. Marshall was acquired in a trade with Chicago, giving the Jets a legitimate WR1 on the perimeter. Eric Decker isn't regarded as a blue-chip player based solely on his talents, but he is capable of playing at an all-star level when flanked by a big-time threat (see: Decker's production in Denver). Mangold's a rock at the pivot, having made six of the last seven Pro Bowls. With a solid supporting cast capable of enhancing the play of the quarterback, the Jets could be a bigger threat to win the AFC East than anyone anticipates at this point. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ets-and-eagles-among-nfls-most-talented-teams
Yet that one position of weakness, is the most important position on any team. I would start any other teams #1 QB in place of ours. Yes, even Cassel of the Bills or Garoppolo who will be starting for the Patriots.
Not to sound like an asshole, but to to exclude the QB position is idiotic. It's the most important position in the sport. It's like saying if we had Andrew Luck we'd be a better team. It's just stupid. We don't have a good QB so we don't have a very good team. Simple.
More super bowls have been won by mediocre QB's than franchise QB's, that's a fact (at least in the past 20 years or so). So this idea that you need a franchise QB to win is a myth.
Not surprising. Jets do have among the most talented rosters in the league. If they could just get even average to good QB play, they'll be very, very good.
How nice of you to compliment Smith by calling him a Mediocre QB, I thought he was closer to a pile of shit, a very dumb pile of shit.
I'm not really sure if that is true, but nevertheless, Geno needs to play way better to become mediocre. Besides that wasn't my point. To exclude the QB position and then declare us the 4th best roster is dumb. What if our O-line stunk? Can you exclude them to declare us better than another team? What is the point? It just makes no sense.
The point of the article is that some people, especially fans, only look at the QB position when evaluating teams, or grossly overvalue the position. It's ridiculous how fans exaggerate Geno's struggles last year. He was certainly mediocre, and probably better than that last year...he looked worse than he was because he had nobody to throw to, probably the worst WR and TE group in the NFL. And he still played good in a number of games. He was inconsistent, but who wouldn't be with the lousy supporting cast he had and Tweedle-dumb as his OC! There's a better chance that Geno is a Pro Bowler this year than there is that he flops, with all of the improvements around him.
Here's your list, show me all these Mediocre QBs. I see a lot of HOFers, now and in the future. Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs HOF Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman, O TDs HOF Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs HOF Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman, 1 TD HOF Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre, 2 TDs HOF Super Bowl 32. John Elway, 0 TDs HOF Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD HOF Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs HOF Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer, 1 TD Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD FHOF Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson, 2 TDs Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs FHOF Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady, 2 TDs FHOF Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger, 0 TDs FHOF Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD FHOF Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs FHOF Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger, 1 TD FHOF Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs FHOF Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs FHOF Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD FHOF Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs (Too soon to tell but hardly mediocre.) Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson, 2TDs (Too soon to tell but hardly mediocre.) * HOF - A member of the Hall of Fame * FHOF - A future member of the Hall of Fame I guess you consider Wilson & Flacco mediocre like Johnson and Dilfer. Let me guess you consider Eli who is a two time Superbowl winning MVP, who just happen to beat Brady both times mediocre too? I guess Geno lovers will say anything to justify it. Myth, BUSTED!!!!!!
Eli Manning Joe Flacco Brad Johnson Trent Dilfer Kurt Warner None of those guys were considered elite QB's before they were the starting QB on a SB-winning team, and promptly became overrated. Even Giants fans still don't think Eli is that great. And going back a little further, we have: Mark Rypien Doug Johnson Jeff Hostetler Just off the top of my head. Maybe I exaggerated a bit when I said that more SB's have been won by mediocre QB's, but it's still true to say that MANY SB's have been won by mediocre QB's. And if you want to include QB's who lost a SB: Colin Kaepernick Rex Grossman Jake Delhomme Rich Gannon Kerry Collins Chris Chandler Neil O'Donnell Stan Humphries Hey, I'd settle for just getting to a SB first, win or lose!
Eli Manning will not make the Hall of Fame. Not unless he wins another Super Bowl, honestly. Too much Qb talent in the league today. Only Tom Beady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees will make it for sure (excluding the younger guys.) Not Eli, not Big Ben and not Philip Rivers IMO. That said, I agree you need a franchise qb to consistently get to the playoffs and to win a super bowl for the most part.
Even if you considered Eli and Roethlisberger to both be "mediocre," you're still wrong. In the last 20 years you had: Franchise QB Super Bowl winners (12): Troy Aikman Brett Favre John Elway x2 Kurt Warner Tom Brady x4 Peyton Manning Drew Brees Aaron Rodgers Mediocre QB Super Bowl winners (8): Trent Dilfer Brad Johnson Big Ben x2 Eli Manning x2 Joe Flacco Russell Wilson
[QUOTE="Axel3419, post: 3257042, member: 17195"Not Eli, not Big Ben and not Philip Rivers IMO. [/QUOTE] Glad you put the IMO at the end, because you are wrong in reality. Eli plays big in big games and considering he still has a LOT of years left, yes he will be in the HOF after he retires. BIG Ben has won two Superbowls just like Eli, but ben in more and also, still has quite a few years left. There has never been a two time SB winning QB not get in the HOF. Rivers I will give you, but he has never won a SB so doesn't matter in this case. There are only TWO mediocre QBs to win a SB in the last twenty plus years. That's better than a 10 to 1 ratio.
Seems like the odds makers disagree on the whole roster quality minus the QB issue. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/05/betting_lines_for_all_of_the_jets_2015_regular_sea.html "So in those 15 games, the Jets are favored just four times, all at home — against the Browns, Washington, Jaguars and Titans."
27 out of 32 NFL teams suit up each week WITHOUT an elite franchise QB. And 2 of the 5 elite franchise QBs are playing on their last leg. 2 yrs from now 90% of NFL teams could be playing with something less than an elite franchise QB under center. So for some of you to say "Without having an elite franchise QB there's really no point in even talking about football" you're what we call a party pooper. We are in the same boat as 25 other teams. So don't be such a fricken downer all the time. At least try and enjoy conversation about the strengths we DO have. Try to go at least one fucking day without dooming our season and bringing us all down for being in the same boat as the majority of the NFL. That being said, it's a hell of a lot better to have a kick ass team, at least on defense, than a shit team across the board. We won't win 14 games, but we will have a lot of great wins and our team will be fun to watch. /rant
Glad I read through everything and saw your post. I was ready to rattle off a ton of names to counter that foolish statement about SB and mediocre QB's.
The Rams should most definitely be on this list. They've been very good without a QB for years, I think they can make a run with Foles.
