Tom Brady suspended for four games Overturned!

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  1. Charlie Kelly

    Charlie Kelly Well-Known Member

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    He didn't show up because he is a Republican and he plans on entering public office after he retires, and judging by how much he cheats and lies, he will probably be very successful.
     
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    Not sure why they would reduce the suspension with an appeal. Vincent's statement on the suspension heavily emphasized Brady and the Pats failure to cooperate during the investigation. That's clearly not going to change.
     
  3. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    No.
     
  4. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    They won't, but fan insecurity makes some fans believe in their biggest fears coming true.
     
  5. Big Blocker

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    I guess that's about right. Couple of comments:

    Circumstantial evidence. This being leveled at the report and the basis for the penalties is a cheap canard. Calling evidence circumstantial as a criticism is something those using hte charge, like Kraftie, should know better. It merely means that evidence has been produced that by deduction tends to support, even require, a conclusion by reasonable inference. For example a defendant is charged with murder, to which he denies the charge. The prosecution produces evidence that a finger print of the defendant is found at the location where the victim was murdered. Does that provide absolute proof the defendant murdered the victim? No, but if also the defendant had motive, no alibi, and otherwise had the ability to commit the crime, admission of the evidence with identification of the reasonableness of the inference is relatively solid evidence, all things considered. People are convicted and lose civil cases based on circumstantial evidecne all the time, and if Kraftie doesn't know that, he needs to stop getting legal advice from people who have yet to attend their first semester of law school.

    In short, given Brady's unwillingness to produce any evidence that would exonerate, or might add to evidence against him, and that he has a motive to cheat to win games, the use of inference in reaching the conclusion he cheated is entirely reasonable and appropriate. Very much so. What in fact stands against this conclusion? The self serving, self-deluding nonsense of Pats fans defending their beloved cheaters.

    Precedent. If I'm the New Orleans Saints, or really the rest of the NFL, I have to conclude the Pats got off light. That Belichik in particular escaped any direct penalty given what happened to Sean Payton is hard to reconcile. Similarly after Spygate Kraftie had an obligation to run his organization in a way that would better assure that no other cheating scandals would occur. They did not. They should have been penalized even more, and their complaining about the little they've been nailed with is unacceptable.

    Pats fans. They suck and admire cheaters.

    That about covers it.
     
  6. deerow84

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    I'd say the only way it would change is if he does cooperate and their additional investigaiton through his cooperation indicates he's not guilty. That's not likely to happen or he would have cooperated in the first place but, technically, it is possible. But I do think it's all bluster. I don't even know if he really will bother with the appeal or if they are just making noise. Maybe he and his cronies are arrogant enough to appeal it...I guess we'll see. I hope he does and I hope he is forced to cooperate fully and turn over his phone and it cements his guilt or reveals further issues about cheating or personal stuff (which he promised would be guarded against but could still get leaked).

    I think he'd be smarter to accept his punishment but continue to claim he's innocent, call it a frame job like his dad and that he was guilty before proven innocent, call into question the quality of the report, etc. Just state that he's not guilty but there's no way to prove it because there was a vendetta or some bullcrap and at least then he's never concretely proven guilty and when discussing his legacy people can say "well, yeah, he was suspended but it was never actually proven he did anything wrong" even though that's a load of garbage considering the pro-Pats media and that he's a future HOFer it will get swept under the rug. On the flip side if he does appeal it and they decision is upheld then it will be a blackmark against him that he was proven to be a cheat and a liar and nothing anyone can say will ever make that disappear.
     
  7. Burning Elvii

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    I never left my board, just joined on this one to beat back the Cheats media cartels.

    You should be rejoicing a bit.
     
  8. Burning Elvii

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    Yes i can get behind that idea
     
  9. Burning Elvii

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    Exactly, the gas law defense was thin air with that hard evidence.
     
  10. alleycat9

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    i was honestly surprised that the penalty was so harsh. looking at it without hate for the patriots for a moment.

    i also think that if it were not for the blatant disregard for the rules that the patsies have shown over the past 10 years that the penalty would not have been as harsh. but they continue to push the envelope of sportsmanship and i think the league realized that they need to take a stand and let them know that it wont be tolerated. they have gotten off easy far too many times and havent learned to stop yet.

    hopefully they will actually think about the consequences before pulling their next shady move.
     
  11. BacktoQueens

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    great article...

    author gets that this wasn't one game of cheating, it's systematic cheating over long periods of time.
    also gets that the 'legacy' is permanently stained, and it will never go away..

    I'm extremely disappointed with the length of Brady's suspension. should be 8 games minimum. and Belichick and/or Kraft should have been personally hit for being repeat offenders who have created this culture of cheating.

    however, i take some solace in there at least being a suspension, and Br*dy officially a fraud and lier.
    and of course, that the Patriots will forever be synonymous with cheat and *
     
  12. jerseyjay14

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    The pats/Brady knew what they were doing. Thats why Kraft said he wouldnt fight whatever penalties are levied, because this was calculated.

    the Pats would rather live with the penalties they got, then to cooperate and risk the league finding other stuff going on. Thats why the pats didnt cooperate. Thats why they refused to make mcnally available. because they knew they have all kinds of dirty secrets and they dont want to open a can of worms
     
  13. jerseyjay14

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    yup, should have been 8 games for brady and a full season for bellicheck.

    but liek you im glad there were at least suspensions and picks taken away at the very least. plus the fact that the pats championships are now basically going to be viewed as being stripped and illegitimate.
     
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    are you kidding me? if we had a QB that helped us win 4 SBs(was THE reason e won 4), if we had a QB that helped us win ONE the fans would never forget and it wouldn't matter what they did.
     
  15. Burning Elvii

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    Krafts thumb of nose also surely to have the same culture going forward. Cheating will occur in NE again. You can take it to the bank. We haven't heard the last cheating scandal in NE.
     
  16. jerseyjay14

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    i think the penalties have mroe to do with:

    1) kraft coming out and demanding the league apologize for even insinuating the pats did something wrong
    2) Brady lying about not knowing anything or saying he didnt even know who mcnally was
    3) The pats REPEATEDLY refusing to cooperate with the investigation

    thats where messing with the integrity of the game penalties come in. lying, covering up, thumbing your nose at the league, and refusing to cooperate
     
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    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    What a disgrace. He should have been suspended a full season and fined two seasons pay.
     
  18. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    This is exactly right, Kraft will continue to throw around his bullshit about vendettas and nonsense because there are some people (mostly Pats fans) willing to buy the shit he is selling but he as well as the rest of his gang of cheaters know that had they cooperated fully the rash of cheating would have been much larger than just a few games, I'd be willing to wager this goes back a few years maybe even close to a decade.
     
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  19. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    I don't know about that, some people have some integrity and can't support a cheater, a few years ago UNLV had a guy named Tre' Willis. Pretty good player but he choked out his girlfriend. There was no way I could support a guy like that, now I understand choking out your girl and cheating to win Super Bowls are different but some people can't get behind people like that.
     
  20. HackettSuxTNG

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    Question: Is Brady banned from playing in PRE-SEASON games?
     
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