I'm not sold on any of the two, that's why I'm not sure Jets should trade up. But if one of them falls to 6, you take him, there is no question about it.
You are missing the point. If there are 20-25 studs in the draft you don't have to be all the way up at 6 to get a good player.
I'd trade down if we got a deal. Maybe we could get a couple of pretty good D players like that big dude from Washington.
I agree, but for argument's sake, let's say that the 5 teams ahead of the Jets have locked in on a player that they covet, and Mariota isn't one of them, so he falls to the Jets. Let's say that Winston, Williams, Fowler, Cooper and White are all off the board. I'm not convinced that Beasley is worth the #6 pick in the draft. I don't think there's another player who is worth of that pick, so in that scenario, if Mac isn't going to take Mariota, then I'd want him to trade down. If I'm Mac, I sprint to the podium, and take Mariota if he's there, but my job and career aren't on the line. Mac, Bowles and the scouts may have a different take on Mariota and may not like him. If that's the case, then some team who does like Mariota could seek to trade with the Jets. I won't be happy if that happens, in fact I'll be very frustrated, but will be willing to give Mac & the Scouting Dept. the benefit of the doubt until I see how it plays out this season and the next couple of seasons, unless Mariota becomes an immediate star or almost all of his picks in this draft bust immediately. With LT being a huge future need, in that scenario, I'd hope that Mac's first pick would then be Brick's successor at LT. Then with the two second round picks (the additional garnered in the trade down, along with that team's 1st round picks in 2016 & 2017), I'd hope for Dorsett, and the best remaining OLB prospect. In the 3rd I'd hope for a RB with good speed and hands, and in the 4th either a blocking TE or a FS.
No, he isn't. You have NO point. There aren't 20-25 studs in the draft and there NEVER are unless you have incredibly low standards for what constitutes a "stud." There's often only 3-7 topflight blue chip prospects, and sometimes there's only 1-2. The average is probably somewhere around 4-5. After that, there is usually a pretty big 2nd tier of prospects and many of the players who go in the 1st round are really only worthy of 2nd round picks.
You here this every year here, probably from the same people..it's some sort of ancient way of doing business in the NFL that keeps being brought up year after year after year.
In that scenario, the answer is no sense whatsoever. Anyone who is okay with giving Smith another season does not know much about the game. Or is a fan of anohter team, like especially division opponents. Yeah, it would make "sense" for them.
LOL. After all is said an done, more than half of first round picks are complete washouts and another good number become JAGs. There are never 20-25 blue chip players in a draft--there is always a fall off from the top 3 to 7 players and the next 12-15. Good players but not "studs". _
I had a nightmare that every guy we drafted was an UDFA level scrub. The gods have given me a vision! We are doomed!
Even if you were correct about the quantity of studs in the draft, guys like Sheldon Richardson, Derrell Revis, Tom Brady, and others with top ten talent are usually available in the bottom half of round one or lower. You do not need the sixth overall pick to find a player that can make our roster that went 4-12 last year.
That makes total sense because Revis and Richardson both went in the top half of round one and Tom Brady was picked in the sixth round. Thanks for the analogy, now I understand!
Bingo. We are in this position because of GeNO he couldn't win when it counted and he couldn't lose when it counted. He is carrying the curse of Idzik on his back..
You do not NEED a top 6 player to find one that can make our roster. We may grab a RB in round 4 that will make our roster. We may grab an under the radar OT in round 7 that will make our roster. PROSPECTIVELY a player at 6 should give us a better player than a player at 12 or 19 or 20. Whether he's actually better or not, time will tell. But to suggest otherwise is nonsensical. _
No, you don't, but that's not what you said. For that matter, a 7th round pick could potentially make the roster. That wasn't what the conversation was regarding, however. If you had said that there was often 20-30 very good 2nd tier prospects who could help the team or that you'd love to have multiple picks from, then I would have agreed wholeheartedly. Excellent starters can be found in that group, and some of them do turn out to be stars, but they aren't considered the cream of the crop, blue chip athletes or "studs" by most.
A couple of pretty good D players? Is this tongue in cheek or sarcastic? Yes, there are still needs on D, especially at OLB, but the offense needs good players more than the D.
Ok then. We can get an O-lineman and Shelton: the big NT I was talking about. Two good players over one.
What if Chip offers Bradford and the Eagles first for the 6th pick if Mariotta is available? Personally i'm intrigued by this.
