I wonder how many on this board will actually watch this video.. I appreciate you posting that video, I feel almost exactly the same about Gregory as this guy doing the scouting report on him. Gregory is going to be a stud.. I have him as my number one again, I allowed the combine to persuade me to move him down behind Fowler, and I only moved him down because of his weight. It's been reported that he had been sick and that it wasn't an issue. Shame on me for allowing myself to be persuaded by the combine, I almost never do that. It's ok though because I am reverting my stance on him now. I truly believe Gregory is going to be the best OLB in this draft, hands down, without a doubt. He is my clear cut number one and It's not close for me. As long as he bulks up a little, I have no doubt that he will be successful in the NFL. He would be a perfect fit for Bowles defense.
If Mariota isn't available then I would be happy with Beasley or Gregory. Both will be great players.
If that's the guy they like they have a tough call to make. As far as an all around outside guy he's prolly it. If they pick him I'm not complaining This goes without knowing how each team views these guys as an exact fit, of course. I'm not convinced Fowler goes first among them either. But as a Pass Rush Specialist I'm liking Shane Ray more and more . The combine was a set back for him, but the Pro Day was good. Shane Ray has the eye of the tiger, you see that in his games. He's a head hunter, and in combat he explodes to track down that ball around the line of scrimmage, and he's big. I'm liking Ray more than Beasley as the sack guy coming out. Ray should be in this discussion. How he maneuvers around the line of scrimmage, and pounces, in games tells me how he is athletically
Ray and Beasley are the same size 6'3" 245ish 03/22/2015 - Five Takeaways from this week's Pro Day workouts: 1. Shane Ray falling behind Fowler, Beasley? The most anticipated workout of the week was Missouri's since projected top-15 pick Shane Ray -- the SEC's reigning Defensive Player of the Year - had been unable to work out at the combine due to a lingering foot injury. Unfortunately, Ray did not perform as well in measured drills as similarly-built pass rusher Vic Beasley and with only one season as a starter, he's not as far along in his technique as Florida's Dante Fowler. Though a scout who attended the workout cautioned not to put too much emphasis on Ray's somewhat disappointing 4.55-4.63 times in the 40-yard dash, 33" vertical jump and 10' broad jump at 6-foot-3, 249 pounds, scouts have since told me that the relatively thin lower body Ray showed is a concern. "The tape proves that he's a legitimate pass rusher," one high-ranking scout said. "But, he has narrow hips and thin legs so he's likely to struggle to add much weight and retain the quickness that he used so effectively off the edge. I don't know that he's a defensive end at our level. He looked stiff during the linebacker drills too." "I'm not saying that he's not a first round pick, but he wasn't as impressive on the hoof as Beasley and isn't as polished as Fowler so I have a hard time seeing him go earlier than either of them." - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com
Beasley played at a smaller size and it was quite visible. "Analysis Ray was a twitched-up edge rusher for Missouri. He has a dynamic first step and a variety of ways to get to the passer. He excels at powering through the outside shoulder of blockers and he has an explosive inside counter move. He rarely exposes his chest and gets locked up. He consistently wins the hand fighting and he can roll his hips on contact once arrives at the quarterback. He isn't quite as effective against the run. His lack of girth is an issue and gets collapsed by angle blocks. Overall, he lacks ideal size/length, but his explosiveness and effort makes him a special player." "Ray is an explosive pass rusher with rare first-step quickness and burst. He can win with speed or power off the edge, yet displays the hand-to-hand combat skills to escape blockers on inside moves. Ray alleviated concerns about his size at the NFL Scouting Combine, buta medical issue prevented him from showing scouts that he possesses blue-chip athletic traits as a pass rusher." Brooks and Jeremiah @NFL
I am torn on Ray, I think he has the drive and will to be successful in the league, I really do. My problem is his physical limitations and the fact that he is extremely stiff as a player. He does not have that bend that you typically look for from a successful EDGE guy in the NFL. Not being able to bend in the NFL is a death sentence a lot of times in this league, so for that reason, I wouldn't draft him.
Yeah, Ray and Beasley are more gambles than Gregory and Fowler. My initial impression of him wasn't great, but I see Ray as a tremendous competitor and fighter. He makes plays, and when he does he wins in combat. That's why I believe that the not 'athletic' enough rap is not entirely accurate. And he's not necessarily a measurables Combine prototype. He's up high on the boards because of how played in games. Maybe neither he or Beasley are gonna go that high, but I could see Ray going to the right spot and killing it. In lieu of a QB, trying to nab a sack artist would be the next best thing, imo. But gambling on it there may not be the best option for us prolly. That last play Gregory made in the above clip in the MS game was a great play. That's not about athletic measurables. He's a great player
his play in coverage and vs the run dont really matter. he is a pass rusher. i want him rushing the passer. let the other 10 guys worry about the run and let our back 7 worry about coverage. to me he is an elite pass rusher who will soon become one of the 2 or 3 best in the NFL. to me he is going to be freeney like with his impact
Ummmm. It matters a lot. You don't just draft a guy at 6 to come in on just 3rd down obvious passing situations. That is an extremely wasteful pick. If you play him every down, with this kid, he then becomes a liability. I don't care how good our line and secondary is, if you can not maintain gap responsibility and set the edge, we will get abused by the run. It will completely negate our strengths as a defense. I don't see the Jets picking this kid at all so I'm not worried about it.
How have they NOT excelled??! Pace had double-digit sacks two seasons past--and he's over 30 years old. Coples had less sacks, but made as many important tackles as anyone on the DL not named Wilkerson or Richardson. The Jets had 43 sacks and that was sixth in the league. Those two guys had quite a few of those, even though they often didn't even rush the passer. They both play the run very well, too.
I don't understand how White is dropping and Gregory is rising even after his drug test fail. I hope the Jets do not take Gregory or Shane Ray. I've seen plenty of mocks having them both go to the Jets.
I see Ray as more of a DE. Hand on the ground type of player. As for as an NFL pure pass rusher, the order I like is Top 10 Fowler, Beasley, Gregory, 10-20 Dupree, Ray, 2nd Harold, Odig., Orchard
teams apss a ton. pass rusher dont just player third down. and im fine with him playing every down and sucking vs the run. 1 guy doesnt make you get abused by the run. especially the way teams run now. your not seeing a FB and 2 TEs anymore.
This post tells me you don't know your x's and o's. Not a big deal. One guy can cause a team to be abused by the run actually. Very easily. Look it up, you can even reference this team a couple years ago if you would like.
NO, you TELL US how...I'm not disputing what you're saying, but you offer ZERO in the support area. And I hate when people tell me something they feel strongly about but tell me to look it up. WTF...
