Harvin Won't Take Pay Cut: New England Interested

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  1. Charlie Kelly

    Charlie Kelly Well-Known Member

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    Restructuring a contract works in a lot of cases but Harvin's contract is ridiculous and very difficult to make amenable to any team, I want the Jets to keep him but they will spend a lot of money doing it if they do. The agent can say all he wants but I know without doubt that Beli will be all over him if he hits the market, Beli spent a number of summers with Urban Meyer at UF picking his brain about the spread and he was scouting those players too, that's where he landed Hernandez the murderer, that's why he brought Tebow in a couple of years ago and he will go after Harvin of he hits the market, That guy is a prototype slash player in the spread, he is deadly with the ball in his hands in open space and that is what Brady does.
     
  2. Charlie Kelly

    Charlie Kelly Well-Known Member

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    Dude there are many smart things you could say here and you didn't say any of them. You don't know shit about football.
     
  3. roger

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    That's all well and good. But, if he is cut hi contract is void. And the next team he plays for isn't going to give him anywhere near $10 million.

    His current $10.5 million contract isn't worth the paper it's written on. In essence, he is a free agent right now, and the Jets are the only team he can negotiate with. The Jets hold all the cards right now.
     
  4. Charlie Kelly

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    I don't disagree with any of that except for the Jets holding the cards, the Jets are the only team he can negotiate with for a couple of weeks, then he is a loose dog
     
  5. roger

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    Only if the Jets cut him.

    If the Jets want him, then he'll be here. I would expect him to hold out until he cuts a new deal, but he'll be in the opening day line up at something in the vicinity of Eric Decker money.

    The Jets may cut him to save the fourth round pick if he doesn't fit into their plans. But, if they decide to keep him, he'll restructure in order to get some guaranteed money.
     
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  6. Charlie Kelly

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    The only way he plays for Decker money is if he allows them to throw his current contract out and write a new one, there's no way possible to restructure him for Decker money.
     
  7. Br4d

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    I'm not sure I understand your statement here. Decker makes less than Harvin so of course there is going to be a way to restructure him to make something in the vicinity of Decker money.
     
  8. BroadwayAaron

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    This makes little to no sense. Can you at least elaborate?
     
  9. Charlie Kelly

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    http://overthecap.com/player/percy-harvin/1554/

    You go ahead and puzzle out a way to restructure that for Decker money. The salary numbers are ridiculous.
     
  10. BroadwayAaron

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    You convert some of the money to a bonus, prorate the cap hit through the next however many years. It's not that hard, unless you're trying to get him to Decker money right on the nose.
     
  11. Charlie Kelly

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    Decker is making like 7 mil a year, unless you want to extend the contact or stupidly backload a huge guaranteed number to keep the early numbers low it's not feasible at all.
     
  12. BroadwayAaron

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    You don't have to backload a huge guaranteed number at all, unless Harvin is THAT stubborn and stupid. I'm not looking at this longterm. I think Harvin would be wise and his agent would be even more wise to instruct him to go for a one year "prove it" deal a la Maclin that has a solid guaranteed figure. That way, he can outplay it in order to earn a longer/bigger contract with actual guaranteed money.

    For Harvin... it's either that or test the market 9 days after free agency starts as a WR with mediocre numbers and an injury history.
     
  13. Br4d

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    You give Harvin a $5M bonus and a salary of $4M for 2015, you convert 2016 into a $2M option bonus due at some early date in the league year and a salary of $6M. You leave the rest of the contract alone because if you picked up the option bonus in 2016 you're not worried about paying him what the contract specifies in 2017 and 2018.

    Cap number for 2015 is $5.25 M. Cap number for 2016 is $7.916M if you keep him or $3.75M in dead money if you cut him instead of paying the option bonus. Cap number for 2017 if you keep him is $12.11M or $3.16M in dead money if you cut him. Cap number for 2018 is $13.32M if you keep him and $2.167M in dead money if you cut him.

    You deal with 2017 and 2018 when they roll around. It will be obvious if Harvin is worth the money by then and for 2015 and 2016 you get him at Decker money against the cap. Harvin loses a little overall in 2015 and 2016 but he gets a $5M bonus right away when he agrees to the restructure and he gets an earlier decision by the Jets next year, one that lets him hit free agency when the money is still out there.
     
  14. Charlie Kelly

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    A one year prove it means throwing the contract out. The numbers in his current deal can't be lowered without him agreeing to a paycut which he isn't likely to do, they can only be creatively moved around, and he can't be paid Decker money this year without backloading guaranteed numbers that would escalate immediately if he was cut or traded.

    His contract is terrible although at least there isn't any guaranteed money right now.
     
  15. BroadwayAaron

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    Why? Moving money into a signing bonus doesn't guarantee his contract automatically. I mean you'd hope Maccagnan doesn't agree to a contract like that at least.
     
  16. Charlie Kelly

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    You are doing exactly what I said in another post and stupidly backloading the cap hit without actually assessing the cap hit. Yeah there are small dead money numbers but in 2015 you are pushing 4mil back into what I can only assume is 2017 or 18 and also losing another 2mil from 2016 back. Those numbers count. So just from those two seasons you can add a 6mil accelerated cap hit to whatever dead money you are totaling plus his actual salary. That's backloading. And it's not smart when you aren't going to have the massive cap room luxury we have now.
     
  17. Br4d

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    So, if Harvin isn't a great player for the Jets they cut him after 2016 and have a small dead money hit in 2017. For 2015 and 2016 they got him for Eric Decker money, which is the point of the whole exercise and the contract sorts itself out down the road.

    The Jets get a playmaker at a reasonable price for the next season or two. Do you see any way they do that other than drafting somebody and hoping he doesn't have the usual first season WR blues?

    Dead money in the contract by year:

    2015 - $5M (the bonus)
    2016 - $3.75M (the remainder of the bonus)
    2017 - $3.83M ($2.5M from 2015 bonus and $1.33M from 2016 bonus)
    2018 - $1.91M ($1.25M from 2015 bonus and $.667M from 2016 bonus)

    It's not a big deal. The Jets wind up paying Harvin less through 2016 and with lower cap hits. The back end years will sort themselves out but the Jets will never take more than a single $3.83M cap hit if they decide to cut Harvin and move on.
     
  18. Charlie Kelly

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    Bonus money must be counted against the salary cap at some point, it is guaranteed money, what year it is put on the books can be liberally manipulated but eventually it must count against the cap. Cap space is what I am concerned about, I don't really care about the checks Woody has to write.
     
  19. Charlie Kelly

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    Yes the contract sorts itself out in the form of an accelerated cap hit that includes all bonus numbers and guaranteed money becoming accountable to the cap immediately, the good part about Harvin's contract right now is that none of it is guaranteed, once you restructure and start giving him up front money, you are guaranteeing numbers against the cap staggered through future years. But if he doesn't work out and you cut or trade, the piper comes calling in the form of one big immediate cap hit. It's in the CBA, look it up.
     
  20. BroadwayAaron

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    Right... we are saying the same thing but I think you're thinking the bonus numbers are going to be way higher than I am.

    It all depends on Harvin's intentions. He could say fuck it all, give me this year "XX" dollars guaranteed, keep the rest non-guaranteed and cut me if you don't want me back after this year.
     

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