Disagree with this, I've watched Murray since he was drafted and have always been impressed with his running ability, his main faults were ball security and health and he was able to overcome both for the most part this year. Yeah, having a beastly OL sure helps but you are selling the guy short of you think that OL made him. That said, he was overworked this year and it's not smart to shell out for veteran RBs unless you are a contender.
Didn't the Jets sign Vick to a 2 year deal? Not that i want him back, but what is the cap hit is he is released?
keep the underwhelming OC, trade the valuable versatile d-lineman. right… Wrong. I can't help you with reading comprehension; I can only re-post below in the hopes it syncs in eventually. What's flawed is your understanding of my reasons for trading Mo. I love Mo and think he has been and is a great Jet. I just do not believe he is worth the amount of money he will demand and likely should get in the open market. If I was the GM I would not pay him 12+ mil a year when IMO he is the second best DL on the team. In fact, I would have paid Revis and Abraham their money before considering giving Mo such a contract. It's no slight at Mo it's just that unlike the Revis and Abe situation, I have enough depth at DL to absorb some of what I would lose by trading him away. If Mario Williams, Peppers, potentially Suh, and other bigger name DLs have not resigned with their original teams, I don't understand why it's so unfathomable for Mo to not be retained. This is not unprecedented stuff here; we're not talking about Reggie White, oh wait the Eagles let him walk too. In the end, I'm not the GM so you do not to worry unless Mac is as stupid as I am.
Bowles us a defensive coach u doubt he's going to want to get rid of wilk Also also as for Cleveland I'd take Gordo 1st and 2nd for Mo...MAYBE
Hopefully our new GM isn't incompetent enough to let his best player walk for nothing. We really need to give a little and sign him this offseason to make sure that doesn't happen. We were extremely lucky in drafting Mangold and Richardson when we made those trades and I love the sound of two first round picks but it's not worth trading our 1st or 2nd best player imo. Mo has worked his ass off for us, bailed out the team countless times when the offense sets the D up at impossible field positions, a complete brick wall who stops the run and puts pressure on the QB. Sheldon and Snacks are good but Mo doesn't get replaced, the Defense regresses and now has Zero strengths. He was in no way part of the reason we were 6-10 and 4-12, he's one of the main reasons we weren't worse. Late teens is good value for a potential trade if contract negotiations really fall through but I'd rather have Mo than the 19th pick in the draft. Would like to point out the last 3 19th overall picks are Ju'wan James, Justin Pugh and Shea McClellin.
Based on the bold both the Abe and Revis trades were incompetent moves? I'd like to point out that there is a distinction between disagreeing with a move and it being incompetent. I did not agree with trading Keyshawn, Abe or Revis, but did I think they were incompetent moves? No and that's coming from someone who believes Idzik was an incompetent GM as a whole. The incompetent remark aside, you made some valid points against trading away Mo. I still would trade him but valid points nonetheless. EDIT: Disregard the incompetent comments as I completely missed the "for nothing" on first read.
On first glance this looks good, but upon a closer examination, it wouldn't work. To begin with, your math is flawed. You say that by cutting Harvin, CJ, Pace, & Cumby the Jets would have $66.8 million to spend. You then say to re-sign Harris, Harrison and Ellis, which would cost $8.1 million, and to extend Wilk for $12 million per season, for a total of $20.1 million. You then say the Jets would have $52 million to spend. This is incorrect. They'd only have $46.8 million. Then you spend $45 million in FA and claim it would leave us with $12 million, when it would only leave us with $1.8 million, which wouldn't be enough to sign our draft picks, much less to address all the holes you'd leave on the team by not resigning our other FAs. For that to even begin to work, you'd have to forego signing Justin Houston and Byron Maxwell, which would enable the team to sign its draft picks, but still might not leave it enough to fill the other holes you left. The other FAs you wouldn't re-sign are : Douzable, Vick, Colon, Wilson, Landry, Bellore, Ijalana, Purdum, Conner, Phillip Adams, Jermaine Cunningham, Bilal Powell, Greg Salas, & Jaiquawn Jarrett. Even forgetting Vick, Colon and Wilson, that leaves a lot of holes and no depth on the team and with only 6 draft picks. Before the draft, your moves would leave the offense with only 2 QBs (Smith & Simms), 2 RBs (Ivory & Spiller); Bohannon at FB; Brick & Giacomini with no backup OT (would have to count on Winters or Aboushi, unless you're counting on Wesley Johnson); Franklin and Aboushi (?) as starting OGs with Dozier and Winters as depth; Mangold at C with Dalton Freeman as backup; TEs would be Amaro, Sudfeld and Pantale; WRs would be Maclin, Decker, Kerley, Quincy Enunwa, TJ Graham, Saalim Hakim, Chris Owusu, Walter Powell, & Shaq Evans. 26 (with 9 WRs) On STs, no LS unless Dalton Freeman is ready to take that over; Folk & Quigley; (3) On D, the DL would consist of Wilk, Richardson & Snacks with Ellis, TJ Barnes and Ik Enempali as depth; Coples and Babin as the starting OLBs with only Trevor Reilly as depth; Davis and Harris as the starting ILBs with no depth; Milliner and Walls as your starting CBs, with McDougle as the slot corner, and only Marcus Williams for depth; 3 SSs (Allen, Pryor & Miles) and no FS; (18) All 6 draft picks would have to make the roster to bring it to 53, and the Jets would HAVE to draft at least 2 FS, a QB, OT, and at least one ILB if not 2, or a LB who could play both inside and outside, or two CBs and then you'd have no depth at LB or OT.
What is your trade proposal to trade Wilkerson to CLE? I'm VERY interested in knowing. It's funny people mention Abraham but we haven't had a pass-rusher that GOOD since he left (even though he was a quitter). I love Mangold as much as the next Jet fan, but we still haven't recovered from losing Abraham. Revis for Richardson was a move that had to be made.
Lots of things to take into consideration. There is quite a bit of cap room, but there are also a considerable amount of roster holes that need to be taken into account. Also, am I the only one that believes Justin Houston will be franchised? I don't see them letting him off scott free.
So your whole point of trading our best player is because we got lucky and made a few good draft picks when we've done it in the past? We're lucky we took Sheldon and not Milliner with the 13th pick or we'd never hear the end of Revis playing in a SB 2 years after we got rid of him. New Regimie, new GM, new scouts but I don't think their stupid enough to trade for a player that has less than 10% chance of turning out as good as the one their trading.
Your logic is sound, but I disagree. I think, at least as far as free agency goes, Cornerback is our top priority, because reasonably its the only thing we cant solve in the draft and can ONLY solve in free agency. QB,OLB,OT/G, WR we WILL get a player to fill one of these gaps with our 6th pick, should we keep it. but cornerback? even if we drafted a corner they wouldn't be all that useful as a rookie. that and we have nobody on this roster who's played more than a season besides walls…thats gotta change. we need older vets there more than anywhere else.
Jets are getting raped on that trade. CLE offers me both first rounders I'd consider it. Wilk is an all-pro player. You trade Snacks for the 19th overall pick (first round tender), not Wilkerson.
i get the feeling fans are gonna be unhappy with the number of stars we bring in when all is said and done. we see 50 million and get star struck, because we can have anybody we want. but even with all this cash we can't just pay every big name and we see because they're shinny and we CAN have them. because we've got like all these depth spots to fill, and draft picks to sign and space to think of in the future. we have to be careful, even with this much cap head room, not to sign players because we can but rather because we must. theres more to it than the big names as much as nobody thinks of the small stuff.
