This is all true but he only became a franchise leading QB in 1998 on his 4th team at the age of 35. He was over .500 in 1 season of his first 11. Terry Bradshaw was a mediocre to poor QB for 5 seasons before he really found himself in 1975. I don't think the modern NFL supports either example as a franchise QB at this point and Geno has two seasons in the books at this point.
I am not saying Geno will become anything. I just wanted to point out to the younger guys the impatience in today's NFL, Vinny would go down as a bust and never given the leash he was back then because he was a Number 1 overall. Also to point out that there is something for experience and guys can develop and get better if they have the physical tools. It took Vinny playing for Parcells (a defensive guy) to play at a pro bowl level.
I get it, I was just pointing out that in today's NFL you can't wait for a QB to develop. If you already have a good one you can bring the guy behind him along slowly but you can't keep throwing a guy out there and losing games because of him and be a good franchise. Bradshaw and Vinny developed in an era where the only big voices in the conversation were the newspapers and local media. Nobody outside TB and Pittsburgh really gave a damn whether either of them proved out or not. Today you have ESPN and the internet and the echo chamber is just deafening.
He made some incredible throws yesterday, including one through a tiny window up the seam to Kerley in stride. There's still potential there and he admitted after the game that his primary areas for improvement are ball control and consistency. He wants to go back to work and reviewing film, and he's only just finished year 2 under a cheap 4 year rookie deal. Sorry to all the haters, but Geno is still our best option at QB.
Does this improve his trade value? I don't want to see Geno as QB next year. This was a meaningless game.
It was a garbage time meaningless game just a peg above a pre season game, and absolutely nothing that happened in it has any bearing on the players, team or season.
I was very happy to see him have such a strong overall game, however, by no means does this change how I view him long term. I have no issue bringing him back as a backup with some useful experience, but I certainly have no interest in another year of anointing him as the incumbent starter.
Actually today it's easier on teams to take time to develop QBs.. With the rookie wage scale you can keep a QB like Geno Smith on your roster for a long time and develop him. That media stuff does not or at least should not matter. It has been interesting watching young QBs struggle the last couple years in this league. When guys like Cam Newton/Luck/Wilson burst onto the scene it made people think that QBs can be successful right out of the gate which has always traditionally NOT been true. The last couple years we've seen rookies struggle mightily (all of 2013s class...most of 2014s class) and even young QBs who burst onto the scene revert back to struggling or at least not to their previous level of success (Kaepernick, Griffin, Foles). I think defenses are slowly catching up to the wide open passing games in this league and the first step is making it tougher for young QBs. I don't think teams should give up on these young QBs that are struggling as a result of that - provided the QB has the work ethic/drive to get better. Geno Smith by all accounts has that. The Jets should try to upgrade but I do want to see how Smith looks with an offensive minded/QB friendly HC & system- with the experience he has already gained and will continue to gain. At this point if you had to bet you'd be dumb to bet he will turn into anything good but I also don't want to rule it out- especially when it's not even necessary to do so with his cheap contract.
If he had Pennington ball faking ability it would do wonders for his game. I don't think he realizes just how bad his ball faking skills are and how important having them would be to his arsenal. Making a defenders step just once in the wrong direction opens up the passing game immensely.
I would say that almost all Geno apologists agree wholeheartedly to this. Not saying he is the answer at all; also not saying the 2 year veteran is completely broken to the NFL.
I agree wholeheartedly -- but it seems play action has been out of our playbook for the past few years. It is something that coaching and practice can definitely have an improvement on. To me just another knock on our coaching staff.
I don't think you give up but if the Jets only have Geno Smith in camp in terms of prospects moving forward next season it'll be a mistake.
Very true. Russell Wilson would be another good one to emulate. This, his footwork in drops, and progressions is the stuff that he should be working on in the offseason and it would seem like it's a relatively simple areas of improvement based upon reps and attention to detail. He seems to be willing to put the time in - as opposed to Johnny Screwup - so hopefully his overall game will improve.
I was a big Geno apologist all year (WVU fan, what would you expect), and became much less so after the Tenn. game. I don't think it's out of the question that he can still become a good starter. The thing is, there has to be a real competition this year. Everyone knew the moment he was drafted that Sanchez wasn't going to start over him. Everyone knew the competition with Vick was a farce. Sign a free agent (under no circumstance do you draft a quarterback, there are way too many other needs like line, secondary, and receiver) and have a real competition. It will help that it will be a new coaching staff with no loyalty to any player. If Geno wants to be the starter next year, make him earn it. And then put him on a short leash. Don't wait to pull him until the season is over if he's struggling again.
I'm seeing a collision of the new style football which is pass happy and qb scrambling and old style which is hanging out in the pocket and going through progressions. Geno has a lot of ability in the new style, he has to work on the old style. He really has to work on making smarter decisions with the football, or he will never reach his full potential in the NFL. The most important thing on the field at all times is the ball. Geno has to do a much better job of protecting it.
The thing that makes Russell Wilson effective is his ability to escape quickly to the outside when he's under interior pressure. He rolls out and reverses as well as anybody in the business. He's like a quicker Roethlisberger in that regard. He needs to stay healthy. Losing a step would take more out of his game than any other good QB at this point.
I do not want to see a Rookie starting next season. I really like the idea of a Bradford competing with Geno for the job. Winston is a tabloid waiting to happen disaster in NYC. Mariota more than likely won't fall to us, but I wouldn't want to see him starting next season. If that were to happen (which is now highly doubted among fans here) I would want a full season on the bench; or at least a clear and cut battle at camp for the job, with clear coaches mark of approval so we have someone to point the finger at when the rookie mistakes inevitably happen. No doubt, Geno has to earn the job next season. All other offensive blames I place squarely on MM. I don't think he did a very good job of managing Geno and game situations at all. I would never have thrown Geno 30x a game, never. With the backfield we have and a Rex Ryan defense we should have been running the football much, much more. Powell should have been catching screen passes like Leon Washington in his day and Ivory should have been seeing 20 carry games on the reg. MM was the worst part of the 2014 New York Jets bar none.
