Look at all those folks marching in Chicago tonight. They should say "some lives matter" with stats like these: Chicago Totals Since Ferguson (Aug 9 – Nov 24) Shot & Killed: 130 Shot & Wounded: 725 Total Shot: 855 Total Homicides: 155
Holy crap. That sounds like Vietnam. But if you're a cop who has to patrol that fucking cesspool, that's not supposed to effect you in any way? You're not supposed to be on edge working those high crime neighborhoods?? Where would those black protesters be if the cops decided not to patrol their neighborhoods for a month or two? They would be BEGGING for all those Nazi, Racists, trigger happy pigs to come back and protect them. Even worse are the white liberals who finish marching and drive back to suburbia. They wouldn't walk through that war zone at 2am if you paid them a million dollars. Fucking hypocrites.
Soxxx to the rescue. Now no more nice upstanding wonderful black guys like Mike Brown and Eric Garner will be killed by white devils.
First thing, you can be unfairly targeted and not killed by police. That's what I'm getting at. That's why I don't think the killed by numbers are a great resource. It would also take more room than this post and a person much smarter than me to realistically try to answer what I'm getting at, if a group of people are unfairly targeted. Here's a quick reason why. So killing aren't the same by population number, but are the same by crime numbers. But if a group is unfairly targeted, wouldn't that lead to higher crime numbers? That digs into a whole another lane of research. On top of that, wouldn't we need to look into the type of crime, whether each person was armed or unarmed, if they were violent crimes, etc. How often those are committed by population, geography, type of weapon, etc etc. And here's something for example, that says drug possession numbers are the same across race, but incarceration rate for possession is different across race. Again that dives into who, what where, when, and why situation. It's a really complex topic. http://www.drugpolicy.org/resource/drug-war-mass-incarceration-and-race Edit: to keep going on, maybe it's not race but poorer communities suffer targeting. Whether that be right or wrong, why are these poor communities not as diverse? Could be because of the lack of loans to minorities in the past? So it's targeting by race because of past racism and now it's more classes that are being targeted? Or maybe that's right fully so? No one post is going to answer the question I thoutht was being discussed, which is why I don't think killing numbers alone can answer the question.
That is your perception, that doesn't make it the truth. you know why you didn't hear about it? B/c it was a white kid and a non white cop. The officer did not face charges b/c he didn't do anything wrong much like these other cases. I am not about black and white, I am about right and wrong. do you have the facts for all those cases you want to share w/ us? clearly the facts in the Brown case slipped by you. what is going to have to happen is a situation like one of these where the office lets up and then the officer is killed for people ti understand what they are up against. The simple solution is do the right things and the police won't be involved in your business.
I will give a longer response later but I want to hit on two things real quick. First I was specifically talking to the narrative that "black lives matter" and "it's open season hunting blacks" that we hear a lot of. I don't buy it for a second. Interactions with cops that escalate sometimes turn into people being killed regardless of color. Second, you can get a breakdown of the types of crimes committed by race in the link I previously posted. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...ables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf#disablemobile
The black community needs to read the boy that cried wolf if they want to understand why reasonable people ignore their claims of racism at every incident. Of course they need to learn to read first. Now that's racist.
That's exactly it, this hands up don't shoot nonsense is nothing but propaganda created by the media. If Brown puts his hands up instead trying to reach for an officers weapon he isn't dead. As far as Garner I don't like the ruling, but here is thing. If you can talk you can breathe.I wonder how much Garner being nearly 400 lbs had to do with his death. If he's 200lbs as opposed to 400 you have to think he probably wouldn't be dead either.
he resisted arrest and was 400 lbs, they had to subdue him. It took multiple officers to do so, the officer was not trying to kill him. don't resist arrest and there aren't any problems.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I notice the breakdown in this Crimes by Race link has no numbers for Hispanics ... because I guess it's not technically a race? Therefore I assume they are lumped into the White totals.
NYC cops dont have tasers (except for higher ranking members) you could make the argument that if they had tasers this whole incident may be prevented however it may have lead to triggering his asthma which is how he died originally anyways but who knows.
Hispanic is not a race. You just reminded me how ive always thought the whole race thing is made up bs to begin with. I've always thought and will think we are one people.
Kinda reluctant to wade into this since this thread is really on some level about politics, but I do think I have some insight into this given my profession. First of all I think while race is part of the problem here, no doubt about it, it is not the whole issue by any means. It's certainly not the only way to look at an attempt at fixing the problem. For example it might well be of some use to require some sort of sensitivity training to the police, but that is not going to fix the problem. The problem imo is that cops who break the law rarely have to pay for it. Combine that with too many laws regarding social behaviors and the problem just keeps getting worse and worse. To make a long post short, the problem is one of process. The DA is the same guy who usually is working with the police, day in day out. An investigation appears necessary since a cop killed someone while trying to arrest him. So now the DA has to investigate the same people, the same group of people, he has to normally work with day in day out. And it goes beyond that, too, to consider DA's often are elected officials and need to consider politics, the optics, of how they behave. When you consider how easy it is for DA's to obtain indictments from grand juries when, let's be honest, they really want one, why is it so difficult here? So maybe the idea is to take the DA out of the process. Perhaps some special role needs to be created. Think of how police forces have their Internal Affairs sections. As problematic as they can be, they exist because there's a recognition you can't count on regular line police officers to investigate each other. So yes there is a racial aspect to the specific situations that are in the news right now. But the real question is who polices the police? We don't have a good answer to that right now, and it needs to be looked at beyond the specific racial aspects of these controversies.
Race is a made-up thing. Biologically speaking. But it has cultural meaning, because we are a visual species, and we are also hard wired to see patterns and categorize things and make generalizations.
Maybe ... but I think anytime you can avoid hand to hand combat with armed cops, its probably a good thing for everybody. Most reasonable people, if threatened with a taser would probably submit to the arrest. Actually, reports say there was a higher ranking officer there the whole time ... who happened to be a black female. I'm pro cop. Always have been. I think this guy was a parasite on society, and I understand he was resisting arrest ... but he also had nowhere to go. I would be on board with eventually throwing his ass to the ground and cuffing him, but I'm wondering if the cops were too quick to use force here. On the other hand, there seems to be some sort of break or a skip at the 1:15 mark of the video. I'm not 100% sure we're seeing the whole story.
I don't know how anyone could say he resisted arrest, once that illegal chokehold started he made no attempt to resist, no attempt was made at bringing him back to life after he stopped breathing, yet the police continue to do these things with impunity, to me this is bigger than race though, this is about the police using excessive force and continuing to get off with no charges because of that badge.
Good point. http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/04/rand-paul-officer-eric-garners-death-should-not-work-policeman
