OMG Here we go again with this nonsense. Rex is not, has not, will never be, the GM. He does not make the transactions, he does not structure the contracts, he does not have the authority to have final say on any draft pick. Sure, I'm sure he has input on things, and I'm sure some of it is granted and a lot of it is ignored. If it was any other way, we wouldn't be handicapped the way we are at positions like the CB position. This is where the whole thing implodes because fans love pointing the finger, rarely do they think about where that finger truly should be pointed. There is a lot of variables that dictate these type of things. I am basing my opinion on facts that I know to be facts. The fact is.. With a solid roster, Rex can get this team where we want to go. It has already been proven twice. Despite it all, it has been proven.
I still think It's too early to throw in the towel on Idzik. He mishandled the CB position without question, and that derailed our season in a lot of ways. I don't fault him for being tight at the hip and spending wisely. I'm not impatient and delusional to think this draft was supposed to produce 6 starters day one. That wasn't realistic. Keeping the 12 picks was a plan that was based on odds. Nobody within that organization thought we would be keeping all 12 picks, nobody on the outside should have either. It was about picking as many BPA on their board, in hopes of hitting on more than usual given most teams have lesser picks throughout the draft, which decreases teams odds of finding a good amount of contributing players from the draft. I get it, it makes sense to me. I still think that it is too early and the overall plan should hold more weight this off-season. I anticipate that this year was more about figuring out who are the real keepers, who are expendable and not part of the long term plan, finding out specifically where the QB position would shake out, ultimately making the overall plan much clearer going into the off-season. Knowing exactly what needs to be done, where to invest resources, etc.. We'll see how it plays out.. I think it is way to early to jump ship on either of these guys. I think Rex is a good HC, who is proven to be someone that can get us to where we want to be. I think we will regret firing either or both of these guys right now. We will be left with a complete shit storm of a mess if we do.
I don't know about the rest of the anti-Idzik crowd but my issues with Idzik has been with the process. I was upset with Idzik's process well before going 2-8.
What did you want him to do? Pull a Dan Snyder and blow our entire cap in one off-season splurge? How did that work out for Mr. T when he was here? Has that ever worked for any team long term? People forget the cap hell that we were in, it was really bad. I don't remember the last time we were hurting in the cap department the way we were just two off-seasons ago. That was the first part of the process, the draft is still a question mark. Anybody trying to judge a draft class in one year hasn't followed the draft process very much. It's not realistic for most rookies to make an immediate impact. He sat on money, which still has yet to be used, so it stands to reason good players are on their way to unify this team. I don't think anyone in the Jets organization expected this was the year to win it all, which if people are really honest about it, that is what it boils down to. Everyone expected playoffs this year, for whatever reason. Now, I realize that 2-8 is atrocious and nobody was anticipating that, but if your still realistic about it all, you would find that this was another part of the process. This season was about finding out what we have already, were we stand now, and what needs to happen this upcoming off-season. Nobody will be bitching in the off-season when we have more cap room than almost any other team in the league and we are able to maneuver around quality players because of it.
This the best roster the jets have had in 3 years and what is he doing with it? I'll tell you, nothing! He sucks as a HC, he does not make adjustments, he is OCD in his approach, blitz on 3 and long and gets his defense burned all the time. Plays guys out of position, instead of adjusting his philosophy he would rather go down in flames, thats what I have seen from Rex. You keep on living 6 years in the past. OMG here we go again with the CB nonsense, leave the CB issue alone, now all of a sudden if we don't have an all pro caliber CB the jets can't win? The New York Giants won the SB with the worst secondary in the history of the NFL and that is a fact, go look it up if you don't beleive me. The Jets beat the steelers because they played 2 man safety help over the top, that's what the jets should have been doing all year to make up for the lack of great CB play. Instead all I hear is how they don't have a CB and they are handicapping Rex. How about Rex make some adjustments like every other HC does in the NFL! I do agree with you on one thing, Idzik should not be fired after this year. I don't mind if they fire rex and let Idzik choose his HC.
Dude.. You need to educate yourself. This is not the best roster in three years. Horse shit. It might be the best roster we've seen on the offensive depth chart, that doesn't mean the team as a whole is the best he's had in three years. Plays guys out of position? He puts this scrub secondary in the best possible positions he can, I've never seen a coach be as creative with such a piss poor roster of CB's in my life. The guy has changed his defensive philosophy every game this year.. Do you not realize that? Do you understand defensive schemes? To make a bone headed comment that he doesn't adjust or change philosophy, to say he refuses to adjust his scheme around his players tells me you don't have a clue. The guy has played primarily zone coverage all year long, he hasn't been able to play 46 schemes on a consistent basis or run a lot of man. Matter of fact, he hasn't even been able to run a whole lot of mixed coverages because our secondary has been so bad. You have got to be kidding me, the CB argument isn't valid? Did you have any idea who Marcus Williams and Phillip Adams were before this year? Fuck, do you even know who they are now? You are just a stubborn fan, with no football IQ with comments like that. You are absolutely talking out of your ass. I respect opinions on this board, I appreciate different views, but when you are trying to argue things that are just false. It's annoying. People need to do research, open their eyes, educate their selves a little before going wild on a forum because they feel like it. I am not telling you I think you are wrong, I am telling you, you are absolutely wrong with your inaccurate points. Nothing but false, uneducated, drivel.
First of all, unless a GM has a ton of football experience like Parcells, the GM's job is only a negotiating agent for the team. He runs nothing on the squad, makes no decisions about players coming on or going off the team. To say that Idzik has a plan to build or develop the team is like saying the Kardashian sisters are in charge. This is along with the fact that Rex Ryan has not a scintilla of running, teaching, or preparing a football team experience or knowledge. These are the reasons the Jets are going nowhere...it's a race to the bottom! The last problem has to do with the fact that Jets fans have no knowledge of what a good GM, HC, or football team is, because they've never had one. Naïve comments like, "I feel Geno Smith will have a good year or he needs more time to develop", is girly-like evaluation. This team needs: 1) A GM that understands contracts, negotiations, and be able to run non football functions. 2) A coach that understands what a winning team needs in terms of plays, evaluating and developing players for roles on the team, establish team rules and disciplining individuals. 3) Fans with 10 seasons of 10 wins or better each, to establish knowledge of what it takes to win and be able to yell their heads off when it doesn't happen.
Dude, I like yourself have been watching and you probably played college football while the most I played was high school. But my opinion is not drivel, when I see a HC play a rookie in single safety over the top coverage against a hall of fame QB like Aron Rodgers after your team is up by 21 points it's speaks volumes about the HC. So go ahead and think that you should be hired by an NFL team as a coach and stand on your soap box but you will see in time that Rex is not a good HC and I'm going to let my eyes be the judge of that information. At this point we will just have to agree to disagree.
There is a fine line between loyal and stubborn. Self confidence and strength in one's convictions are good things. The failure to make observations based upon empirical evidence and to realize that the wisdom that comes with experience allows for better decision making as time goes on is what has many of us fans frustrated by the front office in general and Rex Ryan in particular. Week after week Geno Smith shits the bed and Rex goes out on camera and says "We are going to start Geno Smith next week because he looked good in practice and gives us the best chance to win blah, blah, blah. What exactly has Joh Idzick done to demonstrate that he deserves out loyalty anyway. It is not like the fans wrote in to Woody Johnson and said "Due you totally have to hire this guy, he got the Seahawks into the Superbowl".
Your first post was hypocritical in that you give Idzik a pass based on his efforts and want results from everyone else, now how do you not see the hypocrisyin this most recent one? I have removed all but the first and last sentences to make it easier for you to see what you're doing. It makes no sense.
Chad is right. Plus people seem to forget that ever since Rex became Jets HC his QB has always thrown more INT's then TD. No fucking coach is going to win much with that.
Your right, I should have clarified the last part a bit better, I just hate spending too much time writing on a forum. What I should have said was other than the specific roles that they have, there are decisions that are being made in this organization that make you scratch your head as a fan. However due to the fact that we don't have behind the scenes access, we don't know who to point the finger at.
I didn't have a problem with the keep Rex demands,the problem I had was firing MrT ,I felt like you either fire both of them or nothing at all
Couldn't disagree more. Majority of fans didn't want Favre, Johnson signed him. Majority of fans didn't want Tebow; Johnson signed him. Majority of fans wanted to draft offense over the last few years; Jets drafted defense. Majority of fans wanted to keep Revis; he's gone. Majority of fans wanted a true QB competition last summer; there was none. The idea that Johnson kowtows to the fanbase doesn't hold water; in fact the exact opposite seems to be true.
I never said Johnson doesn't have his own personal agenda's. Which is a flaw I also share with him. I was talking about coaching changes over the years. Constant change in the FO, etc.. I like your rant though.
I agree. As a Woody Hater, though, I would also point out that Woody knows less about football than the average fan here. no wonder most of his decisions have gone bad. I do think, though, that he has a low tolerance for being embarrassed. After all he did fire Tanny. Who embarrassed the team with that stupid contract extension to Sanchez followed by 6-10. So Woody is not incapable of doing the right thing. But I do agree he usually does the wrong thing. As a result if I had to predict he retains both Ryan and Idzik, and lets Smith be the fall guy.
