I can't believe this mindset even exists, but low and behold there are so called "jets fans" that want our team to lose so that we can gain better draft position. Forgetting the fact that hoping for your teams failure is the ANTITHESIS of being a fan of something, the concept that we must hope for a lost season in order to get our franchise on track is an overrated and misguided notion. For one, and this should be OBVIOUS but I suppose it isn't, winning is always a GOOD THING. winning games means players are doing well, it means the jets are finding a winning formula, in spite of whatever other obstacles they're going through. It means our team has a core of players that are resilient and are finding their stride, which means more to us then the ability to POTENTIALLY get a player who's PROJECTED to be good. Because, and follow me here, whats the difference between a college player who MIGHT be good and current jets player that IS good? the current jets player that IS good is already HERE. and odds are they'll be HERE next year and we'll have one less worry for us to address in the draft. To hope our team plays poorly means you are actively hoping that the teams current assortment prove their ineptitude( which wouldn't do whatever draft pick you want any favors by the way) in some sort of counter productive mission to find answers for our team, because apparently beginning to win without a put on a pedestal top 10 prospect is not allowed…. ...which is odd since many of us were VERY upset that we didn't take the impact wide receiver or quarterback we needed to turn things around… that was available at the 18th overall pick. or for that matter the 2nd round! Yet we want to see our current crop fail just so we can get a higher draft pick? Can somebody really tell me with a straight face that the jets can't find a key piece outside the top 5 and that finishing a few spots ahead of other poor teams is worth losing for? more over, the NFL draft has produced plenty of quality players outside of the top 5, or even the top 10. we have a couple of them in Mangold, Wilkerson, and Richardson. and theres a great big list of players that are awesome who didn't come from the top 5. hell, I'd bet most of the best first rounder DON'T come from there. Contrary to popular we CAN be in a place to acquire a desirable talent even if we're picking a bit later. The opportunity cost isn't THAT high. SO really, the idea of tanking is not only counter intuitive to seeing the team improve, it might actually be pointless. Look, I know the allure of a top tier prospect that you're seeing rip up the college scene is a lot, and you want to see them here, but recognize that failure won't necessarily beget success and hoping for your teams failure just makes you look like miserable asshole who hopes nothing good comes from players already here. Losing is never a good thing, and it sure as hell is never a thing to be sought out, especially by a "FAN". Any "fan" thats hoping for the jets to lose needs to burn their green and white and go root for the patriots. Not saying a top pick isn't a luxury or anything, but we shouldn't be hoping for our favorite football team to fall hard just so we can pick up the pieces. If anything we should hope a lot goes well and that whoever our first rounder is joins a team hitting its stride. Just venting...
You can find talent all over the place in the draft. There's no excuse to not get yourself some talent every draft. The problems lies in having patience for a said player to make the adjustment to the speed and mental/physical aspect of the NFL from GMs to coaches to fans to media. Not everybody steps right away into the NFL and does great things, it takes time.
One thing (and one thing only) matters - getting a Pro Bowl caliber Quarterback. If you have to tank to acquire one? It's worth it. Always. That said, as has been pointed out already, we don't have to tank to suck bad enough to draft in the Top 3; this team is awful.
Would you rather lose all of our games for a better draft pick or go 8--8 off a late winning streak? the former mentality is what I'm against.
Fans mentality has nothing to do with how a team performs on the field. Just like changing my seat in my house while watching a game on TV has no effect on whether Geno throws a TD or a pic. _
If we do get a top 5 pick, we better trade down, gain a multiple firsts and second, in its place, and for gods sake draft some o-linemen. Our pass blocking sucks. Multiple times tonight Dbrick got his ass beaten. Aboushi took Winters Job, but still lacks. Colon and Giacomini neither one can pass block for shit. Terrible!! It doesn't matter who our Qb is, our line needs work more than we need to take a stab at a so called franchise Qb.
Well, to me as a fan, there is no difference between finishing 1-15 and 8-8, in anything other than draft position (unless of course you are already loaded with young talent and are trying to get them to play better, that's a different story). Are you gonna think back on a season 10 years ago and think, oh we finished 8-8 that year, what a great season? No. 8-8 is a more entertaining season because your team has a chance to make the playoffs, but I'm willing to sacrifice that limited entertainment in order for a chance to build something truly special. As far as the draft picks, it's true that you can get special players anywhere, but overall, your best chance is with higher picks. Don't tell me you wouldn't be more excited picking 2-3rd overall next year than 18th.
I'll take 8-8 which means we go 7-2 over the rest of the season and a hot Geno Smith any day. Trade ups this year won't be out of the question either.
The Jets need a mega-star. We have alot of really good players right now. Wilkerson, Richardson, Ivory, Decker, Amaro, Harrison, Davis, Mangold, Brick, Folk, but we don't have a game changer. Add a Top 5 WR or CB to this team and the entire dynamic changes.
true, but I fail to see the logic of a fan WANTING their team to lose so we can get a higher pick. We have about as good a chance of hitting it big early in the first as we are if we're in the middle. I guess my OP wasn't very good at explaining my grievance, but its this idea thats it better to fail hard then win more and fall short that has me vexed. i want this tema to win, how can somebody be a fan of a team if they don't want them to win? not saying you believe this mind you.
No CB taken in next year's draft will make an immediate impact. WR is a different story. I'm just scared we'll take Amari Cooper and his injury issues will come back. Safest bet is to take the best lineman and hope Kevin White lasts to the 2nd.
Sure, I'd be excited to have a higher pick, it gives us options, i get it. But I would never WANT the jets to be in that scenario. i don't want to see the team lose. Its that desire to see the team fail so we can MAYBE succeed rather than something go right in the present that confuses me. A team that plays its way out of top 10 spot is a team that had something good happen with its roster, which was ultimately the goal of wanting a top 10 spot in the first place. and seeing as how we can get a blue chip player outside this range, I don't see why anybody would want the team to lose. even the long term argument doesn't work.
I want to win I can't root for losses just to get higher draft picks. I'll take a 7-9, 8-8 season. As for Geno he played well last week and that continued into this week. He needs to continue to be consistent. The best thing for this franchise right now is for him to develop and become our franchise guy. He still has a long way to go but he's had 2 good/solid games in a row so that's a start.
What we need to do is root for Demarco Murray to run for 2000+ yards this year. The Cowboys will only have about 18 million to spend, and that includes about 18 free agents. Essentially they are going to have to choose between resigning Murray or resigning Dez and with as good as he is playing, I don't see them letting Murray walk. It seemed ridiculous they would let Dez go before the season started but if Murray is going to carry the Cowboys far into the playoffs, they can't let him walk.
But could the Cowboys afford to let an elite #1 WR walk? Replacing Dez will not be easy at all. As great as Murray has played, and he's a very talented back, RB is one position where you can find solid enough production.
I don't think it's a coincidence that when Decker has played a full game, and Amaro has moved into the starting role, he has looked much better. It's easy to say he is holding the ball too long, but if nobody is getting open then what else can he do. Take Sacks? Throw interceptions? Most Jet fans won't like this but the Jets need to worry about everything but QB in the offseason, and if he still is struggling next year, with more weapons and better guards then you draft a new QB in 2016.
