Let's put the blame where it really belongs....

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  1. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    This may be a shock to you but interceptions in the red zone typically cost you points. Which in a one possession game are pretty critical whenever you can get them.

    What happened after the INT is irrelevant, a metaphysical anomaly might have changed the entire outcome of the game. Pretty hard to grasp but you sound reasonably intelligent so I'm assuming you'll understand it.

    So that's the strawman excuse now? Somebody fucked up WORSE than our QB so we should be thankful?

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  2. Big Blocker

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    Exactly. Last week his apologists were complaining the CS did not trust Smith, and should let him play his game.

    And of course the logical basis for playing Smith instead of Vick right now is to see what he can do. Seeing if he can hand the ball off to Ivory and Johnson all day long is not what "seeing what Smith can do" means.
     
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  3. BakerMaker

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    There's something called adjusting to a opposing defense. No kidding we shouldn't be heavily running the ball 15-16 times a year, you need a fair mix of plays that cater to both. That's called a team offense.

    I am all for having Geno to have some freedom in this offense but if a team is demanding to get run up on, then by all means do it. We should still drop the wildcat, I don't get the point of using Vick in it.

    It felt like we didn't even watch the 49ers tape vs the Bears Sunday night where they barely ran the ball against Chicago and decided to let Kaepernick air it out on the Bears only to see what happens when Chicago dropped extra men in the secondary.
     
  4. 101GangGreen101

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    http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/9/26/6847175/geno-smiths-slower-trigger

    Let's put the blame where it really belongs. That's nearly 3 seconds, that is absurd in my opinion. You have to get rid of the football quicker, and Geno continues to do a bad job at that. It's all part of reading defenses. Offensive line can't block forever.
     
  5. BakerMaker

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    You also have to have guys who can get constant separation. Its not all on the QB here. Some blame can go to him? Sure. But its silly to dismiss guys who can't get themselves open and not holding them accountable for it does not help.

    Problem now is Kerley is the only reliable one to do it with Decker hurt with his hamstring so the top CB is after Kerley now in games and opposing defenses are forcing not just Geno but the supporting cast/playmakers to make plays.
     
  6. 101GangGreen101

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    There are plenty of missed opportunities by Geno this year so far that he didn't take advantage of. Amaro has been open a few times, and the article I posted gave out a few examples. During the Raiders game, Geno got the ball out really quick he was really decisive. As the weeks progressed, you saw that go away. Maybe that's due to Decker being out, but I think he's missed on plenty of opportunities. He needs to be more decisive.
     
  7. BakerMaker

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    Amaro's route running is a work in progress, as it should be. On the Vick Wildcat play that Matthews ended up sniffing out vs Green Bay, Amaro was suppose to have his head turned around but Amaro acted as a blocker, possibly thinking Vick either runs it or has a RB target when Vick was looking for Amaro to turn around and get some yardage.

    Decker being out is a huge blow to the offense and its fair that in such a violent/physical game that having faith in one guy is asking for trouble but Decker serves a huge purpose for this offense that opens up not just the 20+ yard passing game but it also puts the top CB on him and allows other guys to not just get open but to make plays on the ball.

    I don't think confidence is an issue for Geno, maybe trust but I agree that you can't have that in your QB. Geno needs to share the wealth with everybody and if they want to drop the ball or fuck up the route, let that happen just as long as you did your job on the play. But I think Geno thinks about the big play too much and gets greedy which is why he holds onto the ball and doesn't want to just checkdown after checkdown. The offense the way its setup can't have a guy go 130 yards of passing in a game and expect the offense to put up points, especially vs good teams.
     
  8. 101GangGreen101

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    Well you have to take the check-down if it's there and no one else is open down-field, that throw to Nelson in the EZ that Fuller picked off on 1st down - you can't be do that. Has to be smarter, has to be more decisive with the ball no doubt.
     
  9. BakerMaker

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    He got greedy and thinks he has to carry the team on his back when he isn't anywhere near the skill level to try that. He thinks highly of his gun/arm which a lot of young signal callers tend to be victim of. The checkdown targets are almost never left wide open because opposing D's don't respect our offensive supporting cast enough to leave that checkdown target to get anything more than 2-4 yards.
     
  10. 101GangGreen101

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    You can't condone that type of play. Getting greedy is what did Mark Sanchez in a few years ago. You have to play smart and not into the opponents hands. He did exactly what the Bears wanted him to do and that was throw the ball recklessly down the field. There were check-downs available. Take what the defense gives you, eventually you will have a chance to make a play down the field.

    I think Geno would serve best if he got the ball out quicker to whoever is open. Don't wait for the big play to develop if it's not there right away. Go through your reads, check-down if you must or run for the first.
     

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