No. Giving up a TD with that little time remaining in the half and the ball on the 3 yard line should be the bigger concern for us as Jets fans. I found this analysis from an article by Brian Costello in the Post: Rex D can’t get stop when needed The situation at the end of the first half Sunday was all too familiar for Jets fans who have watched coach Rex Ryan’s defense thrive in nearly every way except two-minute drills. Geno Smith is taking heat for throwing an interception with two minutes left in the first half, but it should not have mattered. The Packers got the ball at their own 3 with 1:52 left, facing Ryan’s self-proclaimed best defense in football. Instead of bailing out their quarterback with a stop, the Jets’ defense allowed Aaron Rodgers to pick it apart and cut the Jets’ lead to 21-16 with a 6-yard touchdown to Randall Cobb. The teams headed to the locker rooms with the game flipped on its head. It was reminiscent of the 2009 AFC Championship Game, when the Jets jumped out to a 17-6 lead over the heavily favored Colts. Then Peyton Manning got the ball with 2:11 to go in the half and drove 80 yards, hitting Austin Collie for a touchdown, and you could feel the game slipping away. You might also remember the work of Tim Tebow in Week 11 of 2011 or Tom Brady tying the game in the final minutes in Week 7 of 2012 to force overtime or Tony Gonzalez scoring in the final minute two minutes of a Week 15 loss to the Falcons in 2009. Some rough research shows the Jets have allowed a score in the final minute of a half 43 times under Ryan (not counting defensive touchdowns or one score that came after an interception deep in their own territory). That’s 19 touchdowns, 24 field goals. Sometimes they don’t matter. They have won 20 of those games. But sometimes they are crushing. It’s a troubling weakness in a Rex Ryan defense. To sound like Kenny Rogers, too often they fold when you desperately need them to hold. It is not a case of Ryan calling off the blitzes usually in this situation. He stays aggressive. But if you look at some of these drives, there almost always is a stupid penalty (Jason Babin’s roughing the passer being the latest). The execution seems to dip. Maybe it’s pressure or the offenses being in hurry-up mode. Whatever it is, it’s a problem that has plagued Rex’s Jets. Ouch. Here's the link: http://nypost.com/2014/09/16/jets-erratic-play-sends-mixed-signals/
The two key plays on Green Bay's TD drive were the roughing the passer call on Babin, and Davante Allen getting 24 on the Jets' Allen. That was 39 yards in just two plays. Rodgers used the time to pick the Jets apart with mostly short passes, except for the one on Allen. I think Ryan really did not use hte blitz much, and kept Pryor back all day long. Maybe blitzing more would have ended up resulting in an even worse day for the Jets. Rodgers is that kind of pick your poison Qb. But in the end, the Jets D once again gave up a key Td in the 2 minute drill. It's a big problem, and anyone wanting to say the Jets D is tops deserves a GTFO as far as I am concerned.
We are #1 in the league in rushing & run stopping. Thats our formula, we just gotta stick with it. Last game was bad but we still showed our potential. Were a young team still i think alot of people expectations are just too high. Teams don't just pop up great out of nowhere, they develop and get better, learn from mistakes, gain experience.. We lost to the packers because of mistakes, not because we were outplayed (Ok Jordy excluded, again Milliner & Pryor are very young, playing off of raw talent with not much experience) but outside of that we held our own. I bet after this year, after our guys get more time under their belt and learn the ropes we'll whoop on GB in a rematch. Our coaches gotta do better though we shyed away from what was working, cant do that.
My problem is despite all the negatives we almost won. We had no reason to feel we couldnt. Yes. Coaching Fed up and we gave up 16 points, but it almost didn't matter. Now if we lose we can blame the loss of Decker and our hurt CBs. And it's SOJF.
rale I respect your opinion but for whatever it is worth I truly believe that if MM had run 3 times, kick d the FG, and led 24-9 at half the jets would have won. And I truly believe that most teams playing the Pack in GB with jets underwhelmimg receiving core and a bull RB in Ivory would have run the clock (and won).
Respect your opinion, BUT If they would have run out the clock and kicked the FG they need not worry about Rex's crappy defense. Simple as that in that situation.
Knew that Rex defenses really under perform against 2-minute drills but those numbers really amaze me. Also, I find it interesting that the philosophy is consistent but it's the execution that falters in big moments. For other coaches, their downfall in those similar scenarios is usually conservative, play-not-to-lose playcalling.
It really is. I was watching the game with a good friend who's a Lions fan (so he kinda understands)... He was bemused, amazed & impressed at how good we looked going into the half. I was proud to be a Then that shit hit the fan... He said "There's the game". I said "Yep".
There's a reason you get six, usually seven, for a TD and only 3 for a FG. Monday morning quarterbacking while eliminating factors like Winter's failure and Sudfeld's quitting doesn't paint the whole picture. It's almost disturbing that so many guys here talk about running into the line a couple of times and being happy with three when a mix of pass and run can get you seven. Especially when the pass is a surprise on first down. How many of the second guessers would be saying today "I'm glad the Jets got seven before the half but they would have been better off just taking the three because so many different things could affect the play?" I put this one (and 10-14 points) on Sudfeld when it happened - my opinion hasn't changed.
Meh. That's speculation. GB figured out something and was moving the ball very effectively even when their drives ended in FG's. They figured out a better attack in the red zone and turned those drives into ones that ended with Td's instead of FG's, had the ball at the end and probably could have scored if they needed to.
I have yet to hear a convincing explanation of why they fail in the 2 minute drill, but any fan of the team must have noticed that Ryan's D too often does. It is somewhat mystifying. Maybe they can't substitute enough, and get caught with mismatches? One thing we often see and did with the roughing the passer call against Babin was the way a big penalty helped the opponent. It has been suggested that is often a factor, but once again the why that would occur is not clear. It is perplexing.
".....Some rough research shows the Jets have allowed a score in the final minute of a half 43 times under Ryan (not counting defensive touchdowns or one score that came after an interception deep in their own territory). That’s 19 touchdowns, 24 field goals. Sometimes they don’t matter. They have won 20 of those games. But sometimes they are crushing...." Seems bad. And when you apply the eye test, it doesn't look good either. Seems like we always give up the late drive. But here's what's missing in Costello's article. He said he did "rough research". That's weak. We need to know what is the percentage of scoring drives to all late drives, and where do we stand in relation to the league. Because I live and breathe the Jets. I don't follow other teams as closely. I suspect that most here don't. Late minute, game changing drives are very common, throughout the league especially for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, etc. 43 scores in the final minute of a half. He's coached 82 games. That's 164 halfs. 43/164 = 26% Maybe 26% in 5 years is a great percentage. And by definition, you have to take out the last minute gimme scores (like vs Oakland, for example), so, if we won 20 of the games where they scored, then mentioning that they scored 43 times in the final minute of a half is very misleading. I'd suggest that a score in the final minute of the first half is a lot worse than a garbage time touchdown at the end of the game. I don't know. Again, to my eye, it seems bad. But where do we stand compared to the rest of the league?
They figured out that the refs where not going to call them for holding or any other illegal shit they were doing....that's what they figured out!!! Simple and plain. Rodgers was getting hit like a two dollar whore on fleet week!
Two bucks? I can't tell what's holding anymore. It's the backfield shit that bugs me though. Interior holding will always be...that's technique. Refs influence games too much these days...and our Q rating has never been good.
That's what I want to know. Throwing out a number and some negative tone can make the number look bad but I need to see it in comparison. It definitely looks bad, but I would need to see more numbers on those drives.
"Rough research" = plausible deniability about only providing a fraction of the story in the light you want it received in.
