We lost because we couldn't run the ball

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  1. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    End of story.

    We had a 37 yard rush out of Kerley off of the option early on and other than that we carried the ball 36 times for 109 yards. That's going to be a loss every day of the week and especially on Sunday.

    Everything else, and there were aggravating factors as usual doesn't amount to a hill of beans compared to the basic fact that the Packers tightened up the run D after their embarrassing loss last week and shut the Jets down.

    That's just what it is.

    To get back on track the Jets need to queue up the run game again next week and make it work. This is an 8-8 team if the run game doesn't produce for them.

    The aggravating factors that I saw on Sunday were in no particular order:

    1. The Jets went away from the read-option/option/wishbone after the Kerley run.

    They should have run a play of that nature every drive until the Packers made them pay for it.

    2. The pass defense was suspect because the Jets began putting overload blitzes on Rodgers, this despite causing him problems early on without overloading.

    You leave the Jets CB's one-on-one against the likes of Jordy Nelson and you're going to get burned eventually, it's just a question of when.

    3. The Jets let the Packers get into their heads and lost their cool.

    This is the only possible explanation for the end zone melee that saw both Richardson and Wilkerson draw unsportsmanlike penalties and Wilkerson get ejected.

    Other than that the Jets played the Packers fairly even on the road in Green Bay.

    This is still a very young team. Nothing I saw on Sunday suggests to me that the Jets aren't on the path at this point. They're just not a solid veteran team capable of keeping their cool under fire yet. That will come with experience, assuming that the Jets make sure the right players take the right lessons away from this game.

    People bitching and moaning about the talent or the coaching or the management or whatever are clueless at this point. The Jets lost on Sunday because the Packers shut down the run. Period.
     
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    we lost b/c we got conservative, we lost b/c the coaches and team melted down, we lost b/c our OC did a horrendous job of playcalling after the 1st qtr and we lost b/c our players didn't execute.
     
  3. JetsVilma28

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    Ivory and Powell were both running with success. Genos int drive before the close of the half, ivory was running great. Marty did a poor job of managing the run and the clock. Johnson looked sluggish, Marty should have been feeding ivory and Powell
     
  4. GQMartin

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    I agree completely with Bradway and UNC.

    The play calling in the first was some of the best I've seen as a Jets fan.
    Why all the run up the middle calls in the 2nd 3rd and 4th? There was nothing called off guard or outside the tackles at ALL.
     
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    He was feeding Ivory. That was the issue, Ivory got the ball too much and he was gassed by the 4th.

    They had to go to Johnson but CJ couldn't create anything.
     
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    Johnson did not have any burst whatsoever yesterday. Ivory and Powell looked good, he needs to ride the hot hand a bit BUT I really liked Johnson breaking up that INT. If Sudfeld did that the game is completely different.
     
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    2 or 3 yards and a cloud of dust is not running with success. The Jets were in 2nd and 7+ or 3rd and 6+ 23 times in 71 plays during the game. This compared to 19 times in 65 plays during the Jets penalty fest against the Raiders.

    The Jets average 2nd down was 2nd and 8. That's the sign of a running game that wasn't getting the job done. On 1st down, not counting the goal to go and kneel downs the Jets were 16 for 48 rushing the ball. You have to do better than that.
     
  8. Jetsfansince95

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    Why ride the hot hand when you can bring in Vick to disrupt the flow of the game.
     
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    Since we clearly didn't learn from Tebow
     
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    huh???? what a dumb post. You start and end with saying it's so simple the running game lost the game, and that it's dumb to criticize the coaching staff... (definitely NOT that simple) Yet you offer "aggravating factors" in the middle that are in fact, legitimate, although lightly veiled criticisms of the coaching staff... so which is it? Can we blame the staff or do we just have to be aggravated by it because you are a Rex supporter?
     
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    I am so sick of the Wildcat and trying to get Vick in the game. Vick is a backup QB, we were moving the ball at will the first 2 weeks anytime we didn't try to get cute w/ the wildcat and/or Vick nonsense.
     
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    CJ just did not have it, Just cant explain why he seemed so lost and not have his energy.
     
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    Powell should have gotten more touches instead of CJ. CJ Looked about 3 steps too slow. Putting Vick in has caused us nothing but frustration.

    I wonder how much trust the CS truly has in Geno Smith?
     
  14. JetsVilma28

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    Powell looked like he had a lot of juice and Johnson was looking like a slug. If everyone else sees Marty has to see it too.

    I know ivory had a nice run he bounced to the outside on the last drive before the pick. We were running fine. You have to keep the rhythm going and feed the horses that are getting it done.

    Johnson was not getting it done, he looked slow.
     
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    CJ isnt very good anymore and he'll pout if he doesnt get the ball. Ivory should be getting 20+ carries a game with Powell sprinkled in imo. The coaching staff seems to be placating both Johnson and Vick to the detriment of the team.
     
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    None of the backs looked particularly good yesterday. Powell gave us his usual game which is a good game for the role he plays. Ivory was pounding but getting stopped. CJ was getting caught moving laterally all day long.

    The holes weren't there for the Jets and the backs weren't able to create off of what wasn't there to begin with.

    It just wasn't a good game for the run in general and the Jets will not win many games where that is true this year. They need to double down on the run in practice this week. The talent is there both on the line and in the backfield and once they get the A-game back things will open up for Geno again.

    One thing the Jets didn't do enough of yesterday given the factors in play was to spread everything out and let Geno make a quick call on a buck up the middle against taking what the defense gives short. I'm not a fan of having Geno run the ball in contested space but with what the Packers were doing yesterday the Jets probably should have done more of that.
     
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    If the Jets had been able to run the ball yesterday they win going away. 200 yards rushing and this game is 27-17 Jets.

    Your agenda against the CS and FO doesn't change the basic fact that the thing the Jets specifically built to do this year, to run the football well, wasn't executed well by the players yesterday. That's why we lost.

    37 rushes, 34 pass attempts, sacked twice, 1 turnover.

    That's what the Jets built to do this year. They just didn't do it well enough. That's on the players for this game. The CS could have called a better game but the players could have played much better given the opponent.

    We sacked Aaron Rodgers 4 times and held the Packers to 3 yards a rush.

    We had an interception and a TD called back by picayune skin of their teeth events that were essentially random in nature. Two feet more and the guy doesn't get called for too many men. One second later (and Sheldon Richardson not yelling TIME OUT! at Rex) and the TD pass is good.

    That's just random stuff that happens. In Green Bay it will bite you in the ass every time.
     
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    You can't give Powell touches over CJ. Powell is a good back but CJ is a great one even in the twilight of his career. Giving Powell change-of-pace carries to give Ivory and CJ breathers is the right way to go. Putting him in on 3rd down when CJ has just carried the ball a couple of times is the right way to go.

    If one of the other two backs goes down Powell can take several hundred snaps in the backfield without causing the Jets any problems. That's his value. He's a great replacement level back. 4 yards a carry, blocks reasonably well, catches the ball. You couldn't ask for more out of your depth chart.
     
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    Oh my god.

    I am at a loss for words here. I guess you see what you want to see. I would say you are more than just a little delusional to point out one facet of the whole game and blame only the players for it anyway.

    I guess it's just random that Nelson torched Rex's defense for 200 yards receiving. Or maybe it was the running game's fault. Either way it had surely nothing to do with Rex stubbornly trying to match his base defense up with Green Bay's 3 and 4 WR sets. But they did get 4 sacks and stopped the run, got to give credit where its due right? (this is sarcasm)
     
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    CJ didn't do anything the entire game. Powell only had 6 touches, so I totally disagree with this statement. If CJ is struggling, put Powell out there instead, so he can give Ivory a break. Powell was clearly better yesterday and should have gotten more touches. If CJ ain't down with that then CJ needs to go because he doesn't care about winning.
     

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