Maybe Manziel picked up his game late in the third quarter against the scrubs then. I saw when he played in the second quarter and part of the third, but switched channels. He looked so bad when I was watching.
You don't know what you're talking about. If you're just going to be a troll and a hater go have fun at torontobillsfan.com and stfu. _
Ok now you're just being ridiculous. I agree, he was nothing spectacular and didn't secure a starting spot, but bad enough to change the channel? Give me a break. You're just trolling now.
Like I said he wasn't spectacular, awesome, a stud but he also didn't throw 3 picks, get sacked 4 times and fumble twice whilst going 2 of 11 for 14 yards. First action as a pro and folks were expecting him to crash and burn and he actually comported himself like a pro QB, albeit a rookie. Behind the second string line. And I agree, Hoyer looked pretty good himself. _
Agree. For his first ever appearance in the NFL, he looked very good. Didn't look scared much but needs to learn to stay in the pocket longer, which I'm sure will come soon. He also needs to learn to slide lol he dove head first into two tacklers yesterday, made my stomach drop for a second lol Hoyer looked very good. Again, nothing spectacular on his part either, but looked solid and good enough to keep his spot. Should be interesting to see Manziel start next game, if the reports are accurate.
I dont really have an opinion on Manziel one way or another, but I really can't see sitting him during the season in favor of a guy like Hoyer. To me, Hoyer is average. At this point in his career, he may be a little further along than Manziel, but you're not going anywhere with Hoyer IMO. He may win 6 games or so, but is he getting you to the playoffs? No, IMO. Might as well play Manziel and find out what you have. You picked him in the first round, sold all those Manziel jerseys, people bought season tickets, the fans are excited ... just play the guy.
Lol but you said he looked "bad". Now you think he should start? And you didn't even watch Hoyer, he looked very good. Jersey sales and season tickets? GTFO seriously if you're just going to troll. _
What is your problem? Is it really that difficult for you to comprehend this? Yes, he looked bad in his first preseason game in the NFL. Yes, he should start, because (despite what you think) you should probably give a QB a season or two to prove himself, not just the first preseason game. And if you dont think Manziel brought in jersey sales and tickets then you're even dumber than I thought.
STFU Bills troll. You continuing to say he looked "bad" shows how dumb you are. He played pretty damn good for a first game as a pro. No where NEAR bad. But thank you mister obvious that Manziel brought in HIS jersey sales and tickets you moron. Not going to impact him playing you dumbass if he doesn't outplay Hoyer. Who is better than average troll boy. Go back to Canada. _
Are you honestly telling me that you would play Brian Hoyer (who's career line is 59% completion, 1231 yards, 7 tds and 6 ints, and which you somehow think is "better than average") over a Heisman trophy winner and one of the most popular athletes on the planet, just because he might be a bit better right now? That's fine if that's your opinion, but it's not mine. I'm going to play my 1st round draft pick who I believe has the potential to be a franchise QB. Do you think Hoyer can be a franchise QB? I don't.
Never mind what I saw, show me one article that said he played "bad". Come on troll, one article. You didn't even watch him, not sure why I'm wasting time on your trolling. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...ion-in-detroit-but-responds-with-solid-outing PETE PRISCO Senior NFL Columnist Manziel's solid first outing indicates Browns shouldn't wait to start him August 10, 2014 12:35 am ET Johnny Manziel begins as the backup in Cleveland, but for how long? (USATSI) DETROIT -- Johnny Manziel made it rain in Detroit on Saturday night. Not champagne or dollars, which some of you might expect, but boos. Welcome to the NFL, kid. When Manziel took over as quarterback of the Cleveland Browns from Brian Hoyer with 7:32 left in the second quarter of the team's preseason opener against the Detroit Lionshere at Ford Field, there were a smattering of boos. When his name was announced to the crowd a couple of minutes later, it was much worse. That comes with the territory when you flash dollar signs, hang out with stars -- yes, even that Bieber kid -- and happen to be one of the most electrifying college quarterbacks ever. Even some Lions were jokingly making Manziel's trademark money sign during pre-game warm-ups. No. 2 has a bull's-eye on his back in life, but even more so on the football field. Veteran players hate guys who come into the league with fanfare and haven't done a thing yet, more so when TMZ has his name on its site all the time and LeBron -- that LeBron -- considers him one of his guys. Manziel had a solid first outing, completing 7 of 11 passes for 63 yards and running six times for 27 yards as the Lions beat the Browns 13-12. Manziel also took a few shots on his runs, but even after trainers looked at him he was able to stay in the game. Hoyer is the guy for now, even if that's delaying the inevitable, and it looks as if the Browns want to put off Manziel playing as the starter for as long as they can. Why? Here are some observations from the game, many Manziel related: •Manziel completed his first pass for 6 yards to Anthony Armstrong on an out. It was a nice throw, with good zip, but an easy throw to get him going. It was from the pocket out of the Pistol formation. He got to a third-and-1 on that series, his only series of the first half, and from the same formation he faked the dive, tried to pull it out and run outside to his left. But Lions linebackers Travis Lewis and Tahir Whitehead were there to hold him to no gain. In the SEC, that's a first down. In the NFL, where the speed is that much better than even college football's best conference, it's time to punt. Manziel will learn that lesson quickly. •Manziel opened the second half under center and was again in the same Pistol formation and continued to run the zone-read plays. It's similar to what Browns offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan used when he was with the Redskins and Robert Griffin III was a rookie. I hate it. Let the kid play quarterback. Yes, Manziel is mobile and he's short, but the book from all scouts and personnel people is that he's a savant when it comes to the playbook and his reads. Creating gimmicky stuff presents the idea that he can't handle playing in the pocket or the progressions. I disagree. And you can't find out unless you let him. What I sense is the Browns want to create a package for Manziel to use during the regular season if Hoyer is the starter. I also see it stunting his growth. Eventually you have to be able to play inside the pocket, as all mobile quarterbacks find out. Shanahan should know better. Look how ineffective his option runs were once Griffin got hurt. He was a different quarterback without the crutch of being able to run. •On Manziel's third series, his second of the third quarter, Shanahan went to a more conventional I-formation offense and Manziel had the Browns on the move. He hit a nice 14-yard throw from the pocket down the middle to Taylor Gabriel. Manziel stood in the pocket nicely and then fired a dart to Gabriel. Manziel also ran for 16 yards on a scramble from the pocket. I think that's where his mobility will be even more of a weapon. He can slide away and turn pressure into big plays. He looked quick as he made that run. As he matures, he will keep his head up and make pass plays when on the move. In the third quarter, playing more conventional quarterback, Manziel was 6 of 10 for 57 yards. He had four runs for 26 yards. Manziel wasn't flawless by any stretch. There was one pass where he felt pressure behind him -- and it was coming -- but he had time to step up and throw. Instead he took off and ran. He also passed on an open slant to check the ball down into the middle. That showed he doesn't yet know the difference between open in the NFL and open in college. That will come. •So what about Hoyer? He was 6 of 14 for 92 yards, but 28 came in a little dump-off to fullback Marqueis Gray. I could have thrown that pass, but he made the right decision. He was high on two shots down the field to Josh Gordon, but he did hit Gordon for 22 yards and 12 yards on his third series to lead the Browns to a field goal. Hoyer stayed on the field for the first drive of the second quarter and was working mostly against the Lions backups, while he had his first-team offense with him. That was the supposed script for him in terms of playing three series, but it also helped the cause for those who insist he should be starting. Hoyer wasn't awful. He wasn't great. He was just OK. And that's the problem. Just OK can win a handful of games, and maybe even have a playoff-type season, but it isn't sustainable. That's why getting to Manziel as fast as possible as the starter makes sense. If he flops, then a year from now you go get another one. Hoyer is what he is, which isn't a franchise quarterback. Manziel might be. _
I don't give a shit about Hoyer, I'm taking issue with your asinine assertion Manziel played "bad". You didn't even watch him LOLGFY. NFL network calling him "impressive" in his debut. _
Without rewatching the game or watching every snap initially, what I saw from Manziel was that his head never once turned after taking the snap, if he didn't see an open #1 read he tucked it without looking. I think he was shocked at the speed of the game. He may have settled down later, but that's my observation from watching a very small portion of his game.
This is funny stuff. First drive: 3 step drop and a perfectly thrown bullet to his first read. Handoff. Designed run stuffed. Punt. Second drive: Kneel down to end the half. Yup, he never turned his head on that kneel down. Or the handoff. If your perceptions/hopes for him is crash and burn then that's what you saw. If your perceptions/hopes are that he's a player, then you saw something different. Still was 7-11 with two massive drops and 6 for 27 on the ground. _
