Guess U do not go far enough to Lou Holtz or Charley Winner. More current would be Walton. Best solution IMHO is move RR back to DC because he lacks the tools IMHO to be a HC & then hire a experienced HC who knows both O & D
The defense certainly has regressed, although the numbers are hard to exactly compare because the offensive situation (2009 and 2010 the offense had major TOP due to the run game). We have invested a lot of 1st round picks in the defense, but we haven't really invested many picks after the 1st (partially because the lack of picks for so many years) nor done any major free agency acquisitions, so it really hasn't been as much invested in the D than it may appear. And considering how old the defense was a few years ago, there needed to be major investments anyway just to maintain an equivalent level of talent. Now that we're basically rid of the awful Tanny contracts (with the exception of Harris') and having a policy of not giving away draft picks constantly, we'll have the ability to fill some of the remaining holes on the defense. If the young talent we've brought in matures well, I think the defense can certainly get back into its 2009-2010 form.
The wildcat is a good option to have in an offensive scheme that really doesn't do anything that well. It forces the defense to game plan for a spread even when the QB is not capable of running a spread offense. It gives the offensive coaching staff an interval now and then to make mid-game shifts in the flow of the offense. It gives the QB, who is generally limited in some way, a breather to gather himself. It gives the QB, who hates having plays taken out of his hands, incentive to not have that happen too much. The wildcat worked well in 2009 and 2010 because the only thing the offense did really well in those years was run between the tackles. If you do that all the time people will stack up and stop you on long drives even when you are very good at the power running game. In those years bringing in Brad Smith and LT forced the defense to blow up the stack and spread out and the formation was an overall plus. With LT it was a major plus because he was often in the backfield anyway and the defense didn't expect the wildcat based on a substitution pattern. The reason the wildcat hasn't been very good the last three seasons is the Jets are no longer very good at the power running game. The substitution it requires just gives away more about the coming play and it is less effective than it used to be. If the Jets run wildcat in 2014 they really should run it with Geno as the wildcat most of the time. Just spread things out and let him run it from there. Always have Chris Johnson in the game with him when they run it and the option is very dangerous. Let him check out of the run into a normal spread play when he sees that. It could be a very effective part of the offense if done right. They should also run more spread plays so when Geno is in the shotgun in a spread the defense doesn't have a clue whether they are facing the spread or Geno or CJ trying to get into the secondary on them. This is a personnel issue. Adding one good young guy a year doesn't make up for having two vets drop out because they were prime/post-prime in 2009 and 2010 and went past their due date in 2011 or 2012 or got hurt in 2011 or 2012. 2011: Kris Jenkins, Shaun Ellis, Jim Leonhard 2012: Sione Pouha, Bart Scott, Bryan Thomas, Darrelle Revis In 2013 the defense was very young and had 7 new starters on defense. I'm betting Jets are top 10 again this year in both points and yards allowed. You need to provide some kind of backup for this. Rex's game management was much commented on in a negative way in 2009 and 2010 by people unhappy with the way he played things, sometimes with merit. Really the only major issue I have with him the last couple of years has been the Tebow debacle in 2012. Tebow was used in a way that reflected negatively on everybody and caused problems for both QB's involved. This is inaccurate. Rex played things very conservatively on offense against these teams from 2009 on. In 2010 the Ravens and Packers games were both essentially handed too the opponent by a combination of very conservative play-calling and inept QB play under pressure. The late loss to the Fins was all on Sanchez. In 2011 all the offensive ineptitude was a combination of a leaky line and Sanchez being unable to recover after taking an early hit or two. The offensive personnel stunk in 2012 and 2013. Rex didn't ask his players to do things they were incapable of in those years, which is a very strong coaching trait and one that many coaches are missing. In 2011 he asked Sanchez and Wayne Hunter to do things they were not capable of and suffered the consequences. I think he learned his lesson there.
I would agree it is not fair to say the O has gotten more conservative. It was very conservative in 09, for example. I am sure it would have been less so last year if Smith were up to it, so again that is a roster issue more than on the CS. But despite roster issues, and the need to replace aging talent after 10, it is fair to say the experience in 12 was not only about Tebow, but was more on Sparano, who was Rex's choice. That was not a case of Rex always getting better.
Yep- I think that if a head coach is doing a good job with the talent he has, it's not his fault if he doesn't have enough good players. People do like to speculate about him a lot, but the biggest factors are how Woody and Idzik feel about him. I'm hoping that Rex can lead this team to the playoffs again in 2014 and silence the critics.
I sure did. What is the point your trying to make? It's retarded whatever it may be. My argument is that Rex took a team that really should've only won 3-4 games at best, and made that team an 8-8 middle of the pack team. It takes a hell of a coach to do that. I'm not bashing his opinion on Shaw, it was a serious question because my next question would've been if Shaw's vanilla schemes scare him at all because it was extremely exposed in the Rose Bowl? ..but thanks for that awesome point you made. Pat yourself on the back Mr. Impressive.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/je...s-position-west-virginia-blog-entry-1.1629705 Todd Haley and Sparano was suppose to come work together. I think Rex made a mistake in making Sparano an OC in the first place. He should have just hired Haley outright as the de-facto OC. Make Sparano the O-line coach. The decision backfired. The plan to get both backfired. Rex getting his offensive counter-part in Marty was a great idea - glad to see it's working out, because it def saved his job.
Spot on. Neither guys are great head coaches. But who cares about titles. Rex is good at handling the media and being the face while fielding an amazing defensive gameplan. Thats good enough for me. Too many people fail to realize that you will most likely never get that coach that comes in and transforms both sides of the ball. Everyone has their specialty and hopefully the coordinator on the other side is good enough to help you succeed. Obviously Rex didnt have that with Schotty and Sparano.
Rex has grown as a coach! Any football fan can see that. He's a top 10 coach and if Idzik and him continue to work together I think he can be top 5. The man is a defensive football master that gets the absolute MOST out of his players. Idzik will just have to give him the horses to win and Rex will get the most out of that player at any position.
Thanks for clarifying your original post, which was much in need of it. My impression at the time was that Ryan very much wanted to add Sparano, and Sparano was already signed up when Haley was offered a job, that being in charge of the passing game and the title of Assistant Head Coach. Obviously Haley preferred the offer he got from Pitt, and I don't blame him for taking that. Haley had the better resume than Sparano, who was an awful HC, had no prior experience as an OC, and turned out to be a truly awful OC. Haley had prior experience as an OC and with the Jets, and imo was not a bad HC, either. His last season in KC was marred by injuries. But he had been a truly great OC for the Cardinals. Rex was wrong to in effect prefer Sparano over Haley. Haley would have been a very good choice for OC.
The title of this thread says it all - we're not even 1 game past preseason and already the doubters are coming out from under the rocks.
Another Rex hater....with an ID of one of the most forgotten and infamous QB's in Jets history, LOL As far as I'm concern, any coach that can take a team to an 8 & 8 season with horrible QB's and no-name WR's , is the type I want to back and support for when he does have the players in place. That's all that need to be said. There's no way you can place the onus on a coach with any rookie QB let alone, a Geno Smith, and come out smelling like roses. These posters seem to overlook this important fact that determiine what makes and breaks any NFL team....a STARTING ROOKIE QB. And don't give me any baloney about comparisons to the QB in seattle - that is a very unique exception to the rule.
Haley would have been equally dreadful a choice as Sparano. Ask Steeler fans how they feel about Haley? Haven't made the playoffs since he's been there, has a terrible relationship with the QB, has hindered the QB's audible input, has had very questionable playcalling of his own, has not improved the O, and is generally considered a deuche by the players and fans. Even Boldin in Arizona couldn't stand him, and Boldin is the ultimate team guy. He'd be fired already if with the Jets. Glad we ended up with Morningwood.
Imo the problems with the Steelers are mostly due to declining and aging talent on the roster. Haley was a great OC for the Cardinals. You miss the point, anyway. The criticism was of Rex getting Sparano, and how the way he did that prevented him from getting Haley, who Rex apparently wanted, but he wanted Sparano more. You are not seriously suggesting that Sparano was the better choice over Haley????
equally bad choices, but i feel Rex and Haley's conflicting personalities together would have been a trainwreck of disharmony, and the team could have ended up even worse.
