State of the Receivers

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  1. TNJet

    TNJet Well-Known Member

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    He couldn't have played any worse.
     
  2. legler82

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    Pretty silly series of questions but I'll entertain them anyway. Decker is the best receiver on the team. He's the guy you try to take away and force the other guys to beat you. When we had Revis, we used to put him on the other teams' best WR. It didn't matter if said WR was a top 10 talent or not. It just mattered that he was the best target on said team. Trust me Decker will become very acquainted with the likes of Revis and Talib this year. And when not playing a team with that type of caliber CB, he will be seeing safeties overtop until another WR forces them out of that. But going into a game, that's what he should expect.
     
  3. Dreadmadseen

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    So what no need to double the guy. That's what I'm saying.
     
  4. Dreadmadseen

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    No need to double the guy..and if they do double him he'll have to prove that he can beat it..something he hasn't had to do yet....that being said I do think that the offense has greatly improved ..but still not on par with the defense unless Vick and CJ2K light it up..
     
  5. legler82

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    Why would you not double him? He's already proven that he can be very productive when single covered or coverage rolled away from him.
     
  6. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I'd be willing to bet that any WR that gets waived in an effort to place him on the PS will either get signed immediately, or at some point during the season.
     
  7. NCJetsfan

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    Chillax, dude, no one said you can't have or post your opinion. I haven't even seen anyone vehemently disagree or any flames. If you've spent any time at all reading this or other Jets fan sites, you should have realized that any opinion/post posted by any poster is going to have at least a few who disagree. I'm sure the responder didn't mean it personally.

    My own personal opinion, is that I'm glad you posted and hope you will post more, but I totally disagree with the idea of bringing Holmes back. He was never worth what the Jets paid him. He's older, not what he was, and was never that great to begin with. He's ancient history. He doesn't have the size, talent or character that the new WRs do. I'm delighted that he's a former Jet and hope it will stay that way.
     
  8. NCJetsfan

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    Why wouldn't you put Cumberland in as a slot receiver and why should Amaro be a "much more aggressive threat 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage? IMO Cumberland can do both of those things about as well as Amaro, if not better. Cumberland was a WR in college. He's as fast as Amaro is and smoother, more fluid. I agree with your last paragraph, but not on the comments comparing Amaro and Cumby.
     
  9. legler82

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    Fixed it for you.
     
  10. Turbocharged23

    Turbocharged23 Well-Known Member

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    I'd take other side of that bet. Let's not forget that our wide receiver group was among the worst in league last year so guys aren't waiting around to pick up our scraps especially after a strong wide receiver class. It's prob the opposite... I would wager we are prob eyeing which guys get cut off of teams that have a lot of strength at wr like the packers
     
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  11. NCJetsfan

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    Thanks for posting this. Interesting. I wonder who #45 was on the Jets? Funny that he'd have become a Jets fan in Louisiana.
     
  12. NCJetsfan

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    There could be some truth to what you say, but just as with the QB position, there are a lot of poor WRs hanging on in the NFL because there hasn't been anyone to replace them any better. Now there should be. I still think that Evans or Enunwa would get picked up if the Jets waived them to try to put them on the PS. Some team would probably even take a flyer on Hill. With the Jets probably keeping no more than 6 WRs (and with Decker and Kerley being locks, that would leave Ford, Saunders, Enunwa, Evans, Nelson and maybe Salas competing for those 4 spots, with probably Salas and Ford or maybe one of the rookies as the odd man out. I can't imagine that the Jets would then pick up a WR cut by another team. He'd have to be a very solid veteran, and why would he then be cut unless he had injury problems or character/legal issues. If it was the latter, the Jets wouldn't touch him, and probably wouldn't for the former either. You could be right, but I don't see it right now, and I'm not even all that confident in the the Jets' WR corps.
     
  13. RexontheBeach

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    I'm pretty sure that's in Los Angeles, and he's likely wearing that because his rec league football team was the jets.


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    Oh, lol Thanks!
     
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    Just want to throw out there that I made a mistake in my in-depth look at the WR's. I had Shaq Evans as the likely backup/future of the flanker position, because I confused a couple stats about him. He does not have that top end burner speed, and is definitely more of a possession guy. Based on that, he is more like depth at the split end prototype, and will be backing up Eric Decker. Our 6th round WR, Quiny Enunwa has more burner-like ability, and he is more likely to be competing for the back up flanker/#6 position vs Jacoby Ford and Clyde Gates. As I went back and looked at this even more, it seems to me this only solidifies Hill's roster spot even more. Shaq Evans is probably the one who knocks David Nelson off the roster at the end of training camp.
     
  16. TonyMaC

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    I don't know about all that...

    If one WR is found to be more reliable than the rest of the un-guaranteed lot despite serving a role (XYZ) already fulfilled twice by other players does that guy get beaten out by a less consistent player who does?

    nope, don't think so literally with all this, as much as a certain player's skill sets puts them in one primary role or another its talent first and split-end, flanker, slot second, the jets will find a place for a guy that can produce even if its in a similar role as another player. The wild card in that idea is Decker who could potentially branch out of a split-end role from time to time.

    we can agree Decker and Kerely are in right? so its a fight for 3 more spots, with the chance of another for PR/KR, the former of which is basically one big competition between Nelson, Hill, Evans, Enunwa, and maybe a few more (like Saunders, Salas and Gates god help us)

    just as well pertaining to the example you used I'm not sure Nelson is so expendable, but thats just me.
     
  17. shelbyblue

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    Great post. the only disagreement is Hill, he had enough time to prove himself and he tanked. Hill was never a primary catch receiver in a Georgia Tech offense, he lacks fluid movements, catches with his body and not his hands also with his height he never goes up high and gets the ball. This Tanny pick will be let go, and Rex said he never liked him.
     
  18. Ajitator

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    He was their primary target actually. They just weren't a passing team. If you go back and watch his film he excelled at using his height and body to catch poorly/under thrown thrown balls.

    Hill already has the skill set to be a burner. See the bills game with the 60 yard bomb to Hill. Perfectly caught ball on his hands that he takes the the house. The problem is he was asked to be a complete/possession WR with the lack of depth we have had. He's incredibly under skills for that role and I think he had to do to much thinking which would lead to the overall clunky awkward play.

    Either way, his major problem in year one was drops. He reduces that number dramatically, if he can continue to improve and stay healthy ( this is key ) he could still be a huge contributor for us this season. To say 2 years was "enough time" for a project WR is way short sighted. I think he's going to surprise people this year now that he has the supporting cast that he's needed since draft day.

    Consistency is paramount in young players development and Hill had had none of that. This will be his first year with a full offseason. It might be beneficial to the team to give him a shot no?


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  19. MaximusD163

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    In one sense you're right, that WR's are not cookie cutter X Y and Z's. Sure, Shaq Evans can line up as a flanker relatively successfully on some plays. The problem is that you need a player be that consistent outside speed threat. It effects the kind of defenses a team plays against you. Making 2 WR's who aren't burners your primary outside guys forces you to give up one kind of threat, and thus allows defenses one less thing to worry about. Clyde Gates played a lot for us last year because we needed him to play that flanker role. They put Holmes in the slot quite a bit because he still hand decent quickness but he was still working to attain that top speed he had in the past. They used Hill as the big bodied split end, and Clyde Gates as the flanker. The constant WR shuffle due to injury was a problem, as we had mostly guys who could do only 1 thing. Stephen Hill is the best speed receiver we have, followed by Jacoby Ford and Clyde Gates. To me that makes Hill's spot pretty safe.
     
  20. boozer32

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    I agree I like Enunwa for the simple fact he had bad QB play at Nebraska and also a run happy team yet had 13 TD's last season.
     

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