So here we are after the draft, and after spending some time checking out our new guys we can really look at what we've got. I've bolded the guys who I think are locks to make the team, and italicized the rookies. They are sort of in order but don't bother saying things like "you have him in front of him?" because that part doesn't really matter to me yet. As you can see although I have Hill as the second WR I do not have him as a roster lock, so the order doesn't really matter. I have not included UDFA's either. QB: Geno Smith, Michael Vick, Tajh Boyd, Matt Simms RB: Chris Ivory, Chris Johnson, Bilal Powell, Mike Goodson, Alex Green, John Griffin FB: Tommy Bohanon WR: Eric Decker, Stephen Hill, Jeremy Kerley, David Nelson, Jacoby Ford, Clyde Gates, Greg Salas, Jalen Saunders, Shaq Evans, Quincy Enunwa, Vidal Hazleton, Michael Campbell, Saalim Hakim, Dwight Jones TE: Jace Amaro, Jeff Cumberland, Zach Sudfeld, Konrad Reuland, Chris Pantale, Colin Anderson LT: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Ben Ijalana LG: Brian Winters, Caleb Schlauderaff C: Nick Mangold, Dalton Freeman RG: Willie Colon, Dakota Dozier, William Campbell RT: Breno Giacomini, Oday Aboushi, Patrick Ford LDE: Muhammad Wilkerson, Tevita Finau NT: Damon Harrison, Kenrick Ellis, TJ Barnes RDE: Sheldon Richardson, Leger Douzable LOLB: Quinton Coples, Antwan Barnes, Trevor Reilly, Jermaine Cunningham ILB: David Harris, Jeremiah George ILB: DeMario Davis, Nick Bellore ROLB: Calvin Pace, Garrett McIntyre, IK Enemkpali, Tim Fugger CB: Dee Milliner, Kyle Wilson, Dimitri Patterson, Dexter McDougle, Darrin Walls, Ellis Lankster, Brandon Dixon, Johnny Patrick, Jeremy Reeves, Ras-I Dowling, Lowell Rose, Nick Taylor S: Calvin Pryor, Antonio Allen, Dawan Landry, Jaiquawn Jarrett, Josh Bush, Rontez Miles, Brandon Hardin K: Nick Folk P: Ryan Quigley LS: Tanner Purdum To keep the post from being too long I'll start the discussion itself in the following post.
Geno needs to be bolded. Walls and Landry need to be bolded even though Dawan is useless. Same for Colon and Pace. These guys aren't going from starters last year to camp cuts this year, they're depth at worst. You can't bold Aboushi who has never made the field without bolding them. You forgot Antwan Barnes who I think is under contract and Ed Reed should be if he isn't.
Are you drunk, or just really tired? Geno is bolded, and Ed Reed isn't even on the team dude. Barnes is under contract but a rookie could definitely knock him off the roster Colon and Pace I will explain in the discussion part. Walls is probably going to make the team but I think Landry is almost a better chance of being cut than making the team. The bolded players are LOCKS, so even if there is a decent chance of them making the team I only bolded them if I'm comfortable guaranteeing they are there week 1.
Barnes is on there, but should be bolded. He's too good off the edge, he will make the team if healthy. Lankster is gonna make the team in my opinion, solid vet DB. Just to put this in perspective, and I may be wrong because Im drinking, but I counted 34 bolded players. That's a ton of competition coming for the rest of those spots - gonna be a fun training camp, fellas.
Wow I was on Tapatalk and Geno wasn't bolded, and Barnes wasn't there because the entire LOLB line was missing (though that should've made me remember Coples too.) Stupid Tapatalk. Doubt you have any decent reason why Colon or Pace aren't bolded. Walls is going to make the team because he did a fine job starting several games as the 4th CB on the roster. McDougle probably overtakes his spot but Cromartie was cut keeping him even and there's no way Rex runs less than 6 CBs, Walls is the definition of a lock. Landry sucks but he will be on the team because he's a veteran that sucks compared to developmental nobodies if nothing else. And yeah the 7th rounder or TRex arms 6th round DE convert is definitely not knocking Barnes off the roster, I don't care for your logic at all.
Chill the F out. IK nor Reilly is bolded in as a starter. Honestly, I don't know much about IK except that his metric score was not that good. Reilly on the other hand had a very high metric score, like top 5 at his position, and I've been hearing very good things about his motor and character so I am rooting for the guy and really happy we were able to snag him in the 7th - it could turn out to be our greatest 7th round pick ever. Bottom line, Maximus put together a nice list for us to reference going forward.
Figure 38 after adding the 4 names that should be bolded and 39 after adding a different punter (hopefully). Then I see another 6 or 7 probables so that still leaves a real dogfight for the last 7 or 8 spots which is still good.
that UDFA punter we signed right. what's his name Purdum ? something like that. anyway, yea like I said somewhere else, throw a turkey leg in the middle of the ring and let them fight to the death over it.
But there will be at least 2 OLB roster spots to be filled by Barnes and 1 of those 2 rookies, there's a 0% chance they both beat him out day one so it just irks my not drunk on Saturday night self a bit to pretend that guys that are definitely on the roster are fighting for their spot. I'd rather see several more names filled in and if the very unlikely event that a cap casualty gets added to supplant a roster spot from one of them then so be it, but short of that the list is short on bolds.
So competition is the name of the game this summer, even more so than last year. I didn't lock in any rookies past the 5th round from last year or this year (except Bohanon, and even he isn't exactly a lock). The locked in guys total 34, leaving 19 spots open. I will designate 2 more spots to the winners of the WR battle, 2 spots to the winners of the CB battle, 1 spot to the punter, 1 spot to the 3rd QB, and 1 spot to the OLB starter. That leaves 12 remaining spots to more or less any position. -The WR battle is one of the most intriguing. I consider the 2 4th round rookies locks, because unless 1 looks like vomit personified in training camp I just don't see them cutting 4th round picks. They may end up being 5th and 6th respectively on the depth chart, or possibly higher. My guess is that Hill will be one of the two remaining receivers, and the battle between David Nelson and Quincy Enunwa for the 6th spot will be very intriguing. I know a lot of people really like Nelson, myself included, but Quincy has more athletic upside and they wouldn't have drafted him if they didn't think he had a shot at making the team. If Nelson is significantly better, it's not a big deal to cut a 6th round WR, but if Hill, Saunders, and Evans are looking pretty good in camp, they may be able to trade Nelson to a WR needy team for a 6th rounder and keep Quincy to develop. Jacoby Ford is very fast but his ability as a kick returner is made somewhat unnecessary because we drafted Saunders, and he is very injury prone. -The CB battle is interesting as well. I think Lankster is such a solid special teamer that he will probably claim the 5th spot. I think the battle between Walls, Dowling, and Dixon will probably dictate the final spot, but if both are looking very solid we could carry 7 CBs, depending on how the rest of the roster shakes out. 1 of the other CB's could make a real case for themselves and mix it up in that 6th or 7th spot, but as of now they will all probably be cut. -The #3 QB position will probably end up going to Boyd since he is a similar mobile QB with a big arm. I wouldn't totally count out Simms, but if I had to guess, he will be developing on another roster come week 1 (maybe the Chargers?). -The OLB and OG position are interesting, I think Colon and Pace are probably going to make the team as starters but I believe there is a reasonable enough chance that they could be pushed out of a starting role that their contracts may be big enough as vets that they could be cuts. Let me restate, I think both will start but I can envision scenarios in which they aren't on the team. If I had to guess, Schlauderaff will be cut and we'll keep Colon and Dozier at RG and Winters and Campbell at LG. I don't know how many lineman we'll keep, but I know they like Freeman, and Aboushi was a 5th rounder. If he is cut after only 1 year I'll be mildly surprised, so perhaps he shouldn't be bolded. The two rookie OLB's will have to fight hard to beat out the backups McIntyre and Barnes, but it is possible. If I had to guess, Barnes stays and McIntyre stays, while IK and Reilly go to the practice squad. -As far as the safeties, it really depends on what Bush and Jarrett look like. I think any combination of Landry, Bush, and Jarrett will take two more spots up, and if it's close Landry goes because he is the most expensive. If I had to guess, Bush will look the weakest in camp. -So in summation I think beyond the 34 bolded players, so far I'm guessing Walls, Lankster, Hill, Nelson, Boyd, Pace, and Quigley make up the 7 most likely to fill the 7 spots listed at the top of the post. I think the 7 more of the 12 remaining spots will be taken by Colon, Campbell, Barnes, McIntyre, Landry, Jarrett, and Bellore (ST standout). That leaves 5 spots that are very up in the air, so to hazard a guess they belong to Reilly, Ijalana, Dixon, Purdum (long snapper), and Sudfeld. That leaves some interesting players on the practice squad or cuts, including: -IK Enemkpali OLB -Quincy Enunwa WR -Ras-I Dowling CB -Josh Bush S -Dalton Freeman C
Landry is a lock to make the team, and almost certainly a starter. should be bolded. Was most versatile and consistent player in our secondary last year, and Rex isn't rolling with 4 inexperienced players in his secondary to start. Aboushi needs to show something to make this team. red shirt year is over. i wouldn't call that a lock. Pace and Colon I'd be pretty amazed if they weren't part of the final roster. They will almost certainly be starters, and at worse, good veteran depth.
See, citing inflated one year contracts is a completely horrible reason to think Landry or Pace or Colon could be cut. The team has a ton of cap space for this year, they'd much rather waste a million or a million 5 on a shitty veteran than a shitty developmental player as depth. You can get completely burned if any of those guys gets supplanted as starter and then the starter gets injured and you cut the vet. Your logic makes 0 sense with $20M or whatever in cap space, not like it impacts future cap whatsoever.
As I stated, I think the most likely scenario is that both Pace and Colon will start, but because I can envision scenarios in which they are considered to expensive as backups, I did not bold them. I think Landry will be 3rd on the depth chart behind Pryor and Allen, but again if Jarrett and Bush look much improved I could envision the team considering him too expensive to keep, thus no bold. Aboushi I bolded because he is a 5th round rookie drafted under Idzik, and I believe he is the most likely player to see time as our 6th linemen in the big boy package.
Are you really insisting on debating the difference between an absolute place on the roster and a very likely place on the roster? I mean we barely disagree and I feel like you're just being argumentative.
It might be a little OCD of me but it's frustrating to look at that and see Rontez Miles and Ras-I-Dowling given the same consideration as Calvin Pace who has started for over 10 years and the team's starting RG and prototypical situational edge rusher. The reasoning behind it makes no sense and it makes the list a lot more unclear than it should be. Sorry if it's argumentative but you took it upon yourself to keep tabs on the roster situation for TGG I'm allowed to gripe about some of your decisions with what I perceive to be good reason.
Landry can be used interchangeably with Pryor. He will be a starter. Allen is not that type of player. And Landry will also be calling the secondary. no one else has any significant experience in Rex's D. He is an absolute lock. neither Landry, Pace or Colon are too expensive by any stretch. they are the definition of veteran value signings. i don't understand your logic there at all. we have a ton of cap heading into next year. why nickel and dime on value contracts with depth they'll need? Aboushi, 5th rounder or not, has competition, and he showed nothing last year. looked absolutely dreadful in preseason. roster spots will be tough to come by for the unproven. we need a backup OT, and he has to earn that spot.
Assuming I'm giving Dowling or Miles the same consideration as Pace is your mistake, especially since you didn't give me time to put out my discuss section, which I indicated was coming. I explained relatively thoroughly what I thought was likely in that section. My mind is open to the unlikely possibility that a rookie stands out, and thus makes a more expensive vet a cut. I suppose I could have used the underline to indicate players I thought very-likely-to-be-kept-but-not-guaranteed, but it just didn't seem necessary since I was writing up the discussion section.
