I did not begin to say the Jets should go up to the max. If in fact there is some benefit going into next year, that is fine. But of course you have no idea that the Jets will make good use of cap space next year. In any event after Sanchez is cut they will be around $40mil under the cap. Do you think that is where they should be?
According to overthecap.com the Jets are currently at 27.899M under the cap and I don't see Pace reflected yet in that accounting. That would likely make them about 25.399M under the cap when that happens. Cut Sanchez and the Jets are approximately $33.699M under the cap. We just need to be accurate in terms of reporting where they are at any given point. The Jets will need to get to approximately 118.37M against the cap by the time camp is over. That entails spending about $18M more than they are currently showing against the cap. Figure they'll spend about $8.5-9M on the rookies (12 picks but only 3 in the first 3 rounds). Add in $10M in late veteran signings when the bargains become to good to pass up. The Jets are at their bargained requirement for spending at that point. Maybe a Mo Wilkerson or Jeremy Kerley deal gets done at that point to put as much of the deals into 2014 as possible? Who knows? The point is that everybody yelling at the Jets to spend doesn't understand how few players they're actually going to get in that process. If the Jets had signed a CB and S in the splurge they'd be done already, and effectively up against their operating budget for the year. I think the odds are pretty good that instead they will pick up a few bargain basement players in June to plug the holes they see looming in front of them and maybe do a redo on a couple of players and plan to roll over some money into next year's cap. Next year they have a bunch of players they have to look at and make a choice. Coples, Harris, Harrison, Douzable, Ellis, Kerley (if they didn't do it this year), Powell, Davis, etc. The other effect in play when you try to get younger in a hurry is that you have a lot of potential core players aging into their early prime (and second contracts) at the same time. It's smart to have a reserve on hand to deal with that.
12M for revis on a 1 year deal, a #1 corner and top 5 player at his position is certainly not an overpay. not when other guys not as good are getting 9-10M and 25+ M in gaurantees. i think 7M for decker is closer to an overpay. much less proven then revis. has never been more then just average without manning. and with a bad-to-average QB like smith its likely he does little this year.
there is no number under the cap that would upset me.... because its not a "use it or lose it" situations. any cap money we dont spend now we will have to spend next year. id rather we hold on to is and spend it more wisely next year then to blow it now unwisely just because we have it to spend. im not saying to sign anyone, but for a team in rebuild whether we do it now or next year is less consequentail then who it goes to
id be fine with us going into the year 25-40M under the cap. that gives us a ton of money to spend next year and no issues extending anyone next year. we also benefit in knowing what we got out of this years draft having seen them for a year. making it easier to know what we need.
I am guessing that the Jets plan to play the shell game move money around from existing contracts into the current season if they don't spend on new players. They also have the obvious option of extending Wilk long term and paying a lot up front in 2014. That would obviously free us up for more cap room in the future when we might actually be a player or two away or perhaps a better long term FA option becomes available at a position of great need.
I did not say they should waste money. That's a straw man. There are several players who were signed who signed at reasonable numbers who the Jets could have signed but didn't. Funny how last off season we were all looking forward to the Jets having lots of cap space this off season. I don't recall anyone here saying they expected the Jets to sit on it. Or hoped they would. Now that they are, all the FO Homers are saying how great this approach is. I even buy into the notion that 2014 is going to be an off year, and the Jets will not be a contender. I just don't remember anyone saying when Idzik was signed last year that it would take until 2015 to contend again.
Why wouldn't DRC want to come and play for the best Defensive mind in the game... Cromartie better be putting in a good word.
This is another very likely scenario. Moving money from later years into 2014 could be the difference between a contentious process down the road with people like D'Brick and Mangold and having everything move smoothly on without cap considerations coming into play.
There's no such thing as a non-contender in the NFL unless you are just terrible. 80% of the teams are still in the race for a playoff spot going into December and several other teams are not mathematically eliminated yet. The Jets were in the playoff race until game 14 last year. The Jets will be a "contender" this year. Whether or not they'll make the playoffs is probably pretty random barring a great improvement by Geno but they'll be "contending" into December.
That's all well and good but again you have no idea that the Jets will make good use of the cap next year. Or will contend again then. Some people come here to vent, to complain to let it out. That can be comical, and I myself I can assure try to balance my growing skepticism over the management of this orgnanization with caution, and a recognition I don't know all that is going on, coupled with hope that things will improve. But I get the impression there are others who post optimistically because they are in denial, can't bear to acknowledge that the team is not run by the best people who always know what they are doing. They post baseless optmistic posts here to reassure themselves.
You are talking about mathematic elimination. I am talking about contending to go to the Super Bowl. At no time last season did I think it was realistic that the Jets would contend for the Super Bowl. As it stands right now, I don't see that in 2014, either.
Why would you expect the Jets to have any chance to contend for the Super Bowl when the Patriots right now are a much better franchise in the same division? Why would you expect them to contend for a Super Bowl when the Settle Seahawks are a much better franchise? If at any point after the midpoint of 2011 you expected the Jets to go to a Super Bowl any time soon you were deluding yourself. You can't get from downward spiral to a championship in a couple of seasons. The point of what is going on now is to get the Jets out of the downward spiral and put them on a path that will lead to a Super Bowl. So far they're doing a good job of that.
I am not sure if this is a digression or not here, but how much are they really supposed to spend on Wilkerson? He's currently under contract for just over $2mil for 2014. I don't know how much you go over that before you are frontloading it too much, providing an incentive for him to hold out down the road.
Pretty much the only position where the Pats were much better last season was Quarterback. I do think Seattle was a much better team last season than the Pats, fwiw. I don't think the Jets are a better team today than they were the day Idzik was signed, other than the obvious inevitability that Tebow was cut.
You can front load a contract without going over board and setting yourself up for disaster. I'm sure Idzik being a cap guru and much smarter than me can figure that out. Wilfork seems to be on the low end of the risk scale with that type of thing too. I recognize that's not saying a lot, but it is a factor.
I am sure you are right. I just doubt the appropriate number will take a huge bite out of the available cap space for the coming year.
Just guessing but I think it's safe to say we could push $15 million of a cap hit from a new Wilk deal into this year. There are other contracts we could tweak money into this year too and I believe you're also allowed a certain percentage of carry over cap dollars into the next year.
There are plenty of ways to frontload a deal for Wilkerson that both reduce his inevitable cap hit down the road and give him great incentive not to hold out. Just don't have a really low salary number in there in any given year. Keep the numbers averaged out in terms of present year compensation after the first year and there's no logical holdout point. Darrelle Revis was scheduled to make $1M in current year compensation in 2010. That was the weak point of the deal and he jumped all over it and put the Jets in a cap tailspin from that point moving forward.
