The facts are that headphones were pulled off and Geno spoke with a supervisor. Anything else is speculation. Exactly so anything else is speculation.
First of all, you don't know that, either. Or even if he did, why did he. And he missed his flight. In fact I think the story was he did not leave until the next day. You buy your ticket, you want to go somewhere, right? You go to the airport. You go through security. You wait to board the plane. You get on the plane. You get in your seat. Luggage? You put your earbuds in your ear. What could possibly happen at this point that would make you want to leave the plane and miss your flight? CHange of plans? Forgot to feed the dog? Or maybe he thought he would get along better with the flight crew on tomorrow's flight? It's strange and you know it.
None of us will ever know what really happened so there is no right or wrong... The fact that Geno didn't get arrested, bodes well in his favor and makes me believe that he didn't do anything wrong. Why would Virgin issue out an apology if they didn't do anything wrong? There is no damage control for them as they are still going to get people to fly with them.... If anything you would see the Jets issuing a statement of apology if Geno actually did something wrong.
I just figured it out! SG3/Mitch Dumstein/ProudJetFan!! You thought having the "lady" in there would mask the schtick? :lol: _
not a fact, not all reports have supported that is what occurred. you believing it is the most likely scenario that could have caused this situation does not make it a fact. also not a fact. there are reports that he was taken off the plane, not that he left, which you are clearly meaning to infer was voluntary. when someone kicks you out of somewhere you aren't leaving. as has been stated, the only thing that can be asserted to be a fact of this entire situation is that Geno left the plane and did not take his flight. whether it was voluntary or not is now known, and neither side, including Geno, have come out to declare which it is. all we have left are the contradictory reports and what we choose to believe is the most reasonable of the options to have occurred.
At the risk of sounding repetitive, isnt this situation over? Geno wasnt arrested, and the airline offered an apology absolving him from anything. The situation might have been his fault, but its over now. I dont know why some posters need to keep harping on this. This doesnt really need to be discussed any further, IMO.
Assumptions and heresay are all you have. I will take the fact that the airline apologized to give Smith the benefit of the doubt that he was not in the wrong. When you have a couple of months off because your employment takes place only part of the year and you are relatively well off with no need to rush back to your home in Florida and can also make a quick call to get picked up in a towncar/limo to head back to where ever you were staying in LA, this all factors into wanting to get off the flight and speak to a supervisor. It's not like he had to be back to work the next day.
Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea hassle you have to go through at the airport? Arrange for transportation to the airport, check your bag, go through security, wait in lines, find your gate, sit and wait for your plane, hope against delays, along with a whole bunch of other things. The guy was on the plane and had already run the gauntlet. He'd have to go through all that again. If he chose to leave his flight over some petty nonsense about headphones, I'd say that's immature and stupid. Speaks to his ego, ask me. Threw some kind of internal childish fit at the very least...that's what it would take to do something like that. The "apology" did not admit to any wrongdoing on their part either. "Left the plane to talk to a supervisor, eh?" Is THAT an assumption? Hearsay? Even if he did, that's stupid. Talk to the supervisor AFTER the damn flight.
It is ludicrous for anyone to believe Geno Smith simply chose to leave the flight simply because he has free time in the off season and disposable income. Especially considering how much of a hassle LAX is. He was kicked off the flight, which is why Virgin apologized. Someone can defend the likelihood that Geno was the victim in this situation without the completely asinine argument that he doesn't value his time, money or plans just because he is rich. That's a more ridiculous argument than any of the arguments placing blame on Geno.
The thing to realize is that it's not that hard to get kicked off a plane these days. If you're not obeying the instructions of the crew you're going to get kicked off. If you're particularly loud when confronted by them you're going to get kicked off. Flying on any airline is a privilege not a right. You have to act out to lose the privilege but it's not that hard to do. Basically anything that you do that causes a ruckus or significantly delays the process of getting people settled in for the flight will put you at risk. Now, add in a little entitlement on that front from a young passenger who does not understand the realities and you get what happened to Geno. Sometimes it's better to just put your head down and roll with it until things stabilize.
I've never managed to get even remotely close to being kicked off a flight. I think you actually have to try.
I take it you don't travel a lot. He had a carry on only so no baggage check, gate 3 at LAX has an average security wait time of 3-5 minutes and he obviously had no big problem making a quick call to get picked up. No big deal if you do it a bunch and know how to minimize any wait time. I didn't see any pictures or video of him throwing a fit so your statement that he "Threw some kind of internal childish fit at the very least..." is just you assuming that one of the unsubstantiated reports were true. I saw pictures and video where he looked pretty calm and collected. Look at these terrible security wait times. These are from 6 am to 5 pm. .
No, it is not a fact. You stated he left the plane TO talk to a supervisor, meaning the reason he left the flight was solely by his choice so he can talk to the supervisor, inherently eliminating the other option that he was taken off against his will. That isn't a semantic issue, that is a meaning issue of the words you chose. It is not a fact that he left TO talk to a supervisor. It is a fact that he left the plain, either willingly or against his preference, and subsequently spoke to a supervisor. The motive of why he left is unknown, and it is that motive by your use of TO that you are attempting to claim as fact. You are choosing to believe one report and ignoring reports to the contrary. That doesn't make the story you choose to believe fact. You may want to look up what fact means if you want to continue to defend your position.
Lets see what facts we have. Geno was on a flight, came off that flight before takeoff, spoke to Virgin personnel at the gate, left the airport and later received an apology from Virgin. An apology is by definition a regretful acknowledgment of an offense or failure. No matter how much you want to make this Smiths fault all we really have to go off of is the apology. There is no proof that he was kicked off the flight rather than left of his own free will but if you give up that bit of your argument really have no basis for placing blame. And why is it ludicrous to think that someone who feels they were treated badly to remove themselves from a flight to complain and just get a later flight. Do you think he had trouble finding a ride? Nope he just had to make a call. Someplace to stay? Probably just go back to where he stayed the night before. Maybe he was willing to stay in LA another day and spend a few hundred dollars on another ticket rather than just sit on a flight where he felt he was treated badly by the flight crew.
Okay he was kicked off/left is that better now? Also he spoke to a supervisor and police and his headphones were pulled off by a flight attendant. Those are facts we don't know anything else. If it was reported by multiple sources that he was acting up then he deserves to get shitted on. But until then I'm not gonna assume anything one way or the other.
Really? The guy got kicked off the plane. Can we all just agree that he was acting foolishly and move on? You don't get kicked off planes for no reason. Did you also try to defend Sal Alosi? Geno was acting a fool and got kicked off a plane. Hopefully he learned something and starts to grow up.
