Just want to point out that one of the big reasons the Redskins and Falcons are screwed right now is that they made big trade ups in the 1st round for undeniably good offensive prospects who then got hurt on them. You trade up and the deal goes sour and you go 4-12. I don't think there's any percentage play of that type to be made for the Jets. You don't trade up with a shitty depth chart to start with.
Sorry, I love Geno, but I don't think he's even in the same area code as Teddy. I think I'd trade Mo AND Coples for Teddy.
I disagree with you regarding Teddy's size. 6'3" 200 lbs is nothing to sneeze at. With NFL weight training, he can put on another 10-20 pounds of muscle and it probably won't affect his arm or speed that much.
okay I'll call myself a geno supporter and I believe he can improve with a solid offseason were he's the main focus... but even I know Bridgewater has a higher ceiling than him and odds are will be better than him in the NFL. he's bar-none the most complete product coming out of this draft should he declare, has a fantastic release, a good amount of athletic ability, and has a fine attitude and mindset to become that leader needed to lead an NFL offense. I also know that we will not be getting him on this team because of all of these reasons. The texans will probably draft him. trading up for him would mean giving up... well the rest of our best draft picks probably and that isn't a a gambit worth setting up for. Great product, if he fell I'd say the Jets would probably have to take him on the basis of being a leading talent alone (or trade down with some other team that'd like to get his hands on him) but I won't even pretend that'll happen. still reality check: Teddy Bridgwater > Geno Smith, unless factors change dramatically.
There's no question that Bridgewater is a better prospect than Geno. It just doesn't make sense to mortgage two drafts to him when the Jets already have a prospect QB and have nobody for him to throw too. Geno + real targets in his second year is very likely to be better than Bridgewater with no real targets as a rookie.
You act as if the Jets have no cap space and/or there are no decent WRs available in FA. The Jets could sign Maclin and Decker (or Nicks or another one of the good FA WRs) and with Kerley, Cumby, and Nelson. He's have someone to throw to. In addition, it might not take that many picks? What do you think a pro bowl-level player like Mo would be worth? Trading Mo plus our #1, plus maybe another high pick next year might get it done.
I have a hard time seriously discussing things with folks that post like this. He is not falling outside the top 3, why even make such a silly comment. Just say you don't want him and leave it at that. _
Wouldn't go that far... you don't trade an effective part of your core team for a potentially effective part of your core team... unless you're sure that that core feature won't be able to contribute to you're team much longer for some reason. (like say wanting a lot of damn money for a player of that position, right Darelle?)
I don't think that the Jets should trade up to get Bridgewater. Right now the team is rebuilding, so I don't think it could afford to trade away any top draft picks or good players to play the QB lottery again. Also, we just spend a second round pick on Geno Smith. I think that no matter what, wide receiver needs to be a big focus of this offseason/draft. I think that if you see potential in Geno Smith with an improved wide receiver corps, and some improvement on the offensive line, and a year of experience- then you can't really justify taking a QB in the first round, let alone trade up for one. If you don't think Smith will be good this year, not "improving", but legitimately decent- then I think the correct move is to bring in a veteran arm and hope that with improved receivers and some additions on the o-line, and improvements in the secondary and a Rex Ryan defense- that you can make the playoffs. If you think Smith will be decent next year, then you get a lesser backup QB, declare Smith to be the starter, give him every snap in the pre-season, and try to give Smith as much talent as possible to work with. (You also have to fix the secondary, no matter what, so that it will be a lot better against the pass and hopefully generate more turnovers.)
You're right, since I wouldn't want to give up our entire draft for Teddy, im ok with mediocrity. God forbid I or anybody else has a different viewpoint Man you've got this whole thing figured out.
I wouldn't count on that. Teddy left high school 6"3 195. Only putting on 5lbs going from a high school to college over 3 year is not a good sign. The kid like's to keep it moving and the NFL never = good things for mobile QB's and then you add in the weight to height scale and this kid is on the high side of getting crippled in his first 3 years in the nfl. No way id damage multiple drafts to move up for him.
I basically agree with you, but I think a franchise-caliber QB changes everything. Bridgewater is an incredible player and talent. He is the type who would make even average WRs much better. I doubt any QB-needy team would trade away the opportunity to take a franchise-caliber QB, but one never knows. They might opt to to get a pro bowl-level defender and difference maker plus a couple of other picks.
That's not what they said on the broadcast. They said he's put on 20 lbs. since he came to Louisville. Glennon is skinnier than that. Did he break in half this season? Drew Brees isn't very big, neither is Geno.
You've dumped on Bridgewater all year and have been touting Geno all the while so I'm not surprised at your take. Bridgewater in year 1 with the same targets as Geno year 2 is MILES better. You give Bridgewater some targets in FA and even if you have to give up a bunch of early picks to get Teddy (i) you are better in 2014 and (ii) you are set up for the next DECADE at QB. _
Agreed Jets have a lot of needs. While Bridgewater would be the best addition the Jets could possibly make from a draft standpoint it's just not realistic. We need to rebuild the roster, particularly on the offensive side of the ball. In a perfect world i'd love to see them take a flier on a guy like Mettenberger in the later rounds. Pre injury he was considered one of the better QB prospects in the draft.
