I'm not so sure I'd go as far as to say the top FA's will be lining up to play for us this year. Economic reality is one factor. There's many other factors involved like how attractive a team is to a FA. There's also other teams with cap space around the league I'm sure. We'll find out how some of the top FA's really feel about the Jets this offseason. Similar to how we'll find out how much power Idzik really holds when it comes to deciding Rex's fate. Also similar to how many GM candidates passed on the Jets job last year. If money was the only factor then you'd see top FA's over the years running to teams like the Skins and Cowboys who always spend big and tend to overpay. A FA is looking at many other factors like organizational stability, the culture inside the locker room, the CS, the media, ownership, etc. Sure the payday is one aspect, but players these days realize they can get paid top dollar in many different cities.
its also about how much you want to mortgage for what. there is no one guy who will come to the jets and make the difference at this point. its a matter of using free agency smartly.
So John Idzik is preparing to give Rex Ryan the walking papers with the blessing of Woody Johnson. A decent share of the message board members are on board with that decision. AND YET... Terry Bradway gets to stay? What does that tell you about this owner and organization? I am no fan of Ryan but even I have to concede I never thought this team as constituted had a chance to win 4 games never mind potentially finish 8-8.
Would have never guessed this :wink: Yeah if Rex goes, it's time to fully clean house and do a true cleanup. In 2009 we kept Schotty, last year the GM kept Rex. Full cleaning if they go that way
Bradway seems to have contract for life status. He gets a free pass despite being involved in all of the drafting since 2001.
Is possible his history shows very good grading of players but the rest of the powers to be saw things differently. It's also possibly he's Woody's boyfriend.
Totally and absolutely disagree. If you blame him for the draft choices including this year, well then we did not and apparently do not have a GM worth a shit. We can not kiss Idzik ass but blame Rex for the draft. Which incidentally was pretty damned good talent wise. If you are saying good players don't want to come here, well try cap hell and no stud QB as the reason ... not the coach. Players know damn well that without a top QB no team will make big strides no matter who the Coach is. I will always subscribe to the formula that great players make the coach a winner, not the other way around.
Unfortunately he is gone. If he was going to get an extension they would have done it by now or at least informed him he would be getting an extension. But Idzik's silence is deafening. It's a shame. Rex IS the Jets, or at least the face of the team. I really hate to see him leave. Really hate it. He deserves to be back.
Time to pray that Gay Jlazer is wrong as shit as usual and Rex stays Sent from my BNTV400 using Tapatalk
The Jets need good continuity. Keeping Ryan is mediocre continuity at best. Continuity for the sake of continuity is not going to get the job done.
The personnel in 2013 was worse than the personnel Ryan inherited. Half a decade in and Ryan has greatly contributed to a lesser roster. Also, it is way too early to grade the 2013 draft. I wrote nothing about whether or not good players want to come to the Jets. All I wrote is that the talent is not up to par. Ryan has had a major say on the players who have been brought in. I'm sure a special teams player here or a 6th DB there has been brought in solely on the scouting report of someone in the pro personnel department, but almost all of the major players came here or were drafted because Ryan said so. We know for a fact that Ryan picked Sanchez. We also know that the previous GM, Mike Tannenbaum, was not a personnel guy. He was a salary cap and contract guy who liked fantasy football. Tannenbaum leaned on Ryan quite a bit. There are people on this forum who act like Ryan gets muzzled on draft day and is kept in a cave for the first two months after the start of free agency every year. Some posters here think Ryan has to coach whatever players he was given by Tannenbaum then and Idzik now. Yeah, but Ryan drafted Sanchez. He later told Tannenbaum that he could win a Super Bowl with Sanchez and that is why Tannenbaum gave Sanchez that ridiculous extension. Then the team was put into cap purgatory for a while. I have been watching since the Walton era. Keeping Ryan or firing him is the most difficult coaching decision the franchise has had to make in the past 30 years. There are almost as many pros as cons. Firing Walton, Coslet, Carroll, Kotite, and Mangini were easy decisions. I was all for all five of those going when they went.
Alright, after not commenting on it for a few days I'd just like to say Rex isn't getting fired, it makes no sense. Sorry haters. One more year to make good, at the minimum.
Rex Ryan has major say, but isn't it still Tanny that has final say? He has a whole scouting department, it's on him if he values Rex's opinion too high and too much. Hopefully Idzik is smarter and uses all his resources. Rex again has say, but if he has final decision on everything, why scapegoat Tanny? Rex should have been cleaned out last year with him. That's on Tanny. Rex believes he can win a SB with Sanchez and Sanchez was still on contract. No need to just listen to Rex, listen to his scouts, listen to Schotty, the QB coach, everyone. But instead, again, Tanny offered Sanchez an extension. I think if Rex was indeed the de facto GM, why did he stay and Tanny go last year? That makes no sense, it would have been a perfect time to clean house if Woody wanted to and was upset with the roster. It's just really confusing. At end of the day, if Ryan was basically making all the choices, I still blame for Tanny because in my mind he had final say on all of it. Although, I guess we do know Rex was not for Stephen Hill when he curiously commented about that.
So according to you it's the coaches job to scout college players, draft them, and also pick what free agents to sign and how much money to give them? K. the part where you say that Rex commandeered the Sanchez extension is mindblowing.
Okay, Ryan had absolutely zero input on whether or not the Jets would move forward with Sanchez as opposed to just let his initial deal run out so that the team could move on. I did not write or imply that anywhere. I'd rather not have to repeat what was written earlier in the night.
Yeah, they both should have been out last year. They were tied at the hip. It was typical Jets dysfunction that one stayed and the other was booted. As for final say, common sense would indicate Ryan had final say because Tannenbaum is not really a personnel guy. He is a cap and contract guy.
This is true.......I only remember being overjoyed when each of those guys was canned. The last time I was pissed was when Michaels was fired ( wink wink resigned). And I will be truly pissed if Rex gets the same fate. Continuity is just as important as talent in the NFL. The Jets have not had a head coach for longer than 5 years since Joe Walton in the 1980s.......and firing Rex guarantees a fourth OC in four years. Yikes......
