Jay Glazer: Rex Believes He's Fired

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  1. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    Bingo. He has to take a good amount of the blame for the draft, FA, the roster and the performance on the field. That's part of his job. Not sure why after 3 years of losing and flirting with .500 this is going to suddenly change for the better.
     
  2. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Saying that humans cannot flap their arms and fly is nothing but a false argument. It could happen at some point next year.
     
  3. Endlessly Counting

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    No it can't. So it would not be a false argument

    Your response is a false argument, however, because it is based on an invalid premise, that humans could flap their arms & fly at some point next year.
     
  4. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I don't care what facts you have. Your argument is invalid because I said so.
     
  5. Endlessly Counting

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    Well, that's really what it all boils down to:grin:

    Merry Christmas
     
  6. Ralebird

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    There is no "BINGO" there unless you disregard the "IF". You know the "IF" that all you experts are so sure about. You all must have better communication with the folks in Florham Park than the other 75% of us because you guys are so sure that Ryan has had overwhelming control of the draft and trade process than the General Managers who are hired to do that job.

    Of course he must take responsibility for all those great players who have been put on the field that he has misused, released or ruined their game. Where's THAT list?
     
  7. JetsNation06

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    No. Actually I don't know that "IF" because there isn't any "IF". You don't need to be an expert to know that any HC worth his stock has input into the draft, FA, the roster and performance on the field. Those are all directly linked to the head coach in some capacity. And noone besides you said that he has overwhelming control of the draft and trade process. However, he does have major input as any HC would and definitely must assume a fair amount of the blame.

    It's a joint effort in all of those areas between the Head Coach and the FO. You sound like a Rex apologist once again. Of course Rex has to take some form of responsibility for this current team, he's the Head Coach. In your world, he's not at fault for anything and all is well which is not the Jets current reality.
     
  8. 101GangGreen101

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    Rex has made bad choices during his tenure as our coach, he's not perfect. No coach is perfect in this league. Belichick has drafted multiple busts trying to rebuild the defense, those CBs he's drafted, Hightower is a scrub - they paid Aaron Hernendez a crap-ton of cash despite his history.

    That doesn't mean Rex is not the right man for the job - the scouting department and the GM need to do a better job of scouting and selecting players. The Stephen Hills and Vlads need to stop. The Kyle Wilsons also need to stop as well.
     
  9. JetsNation06

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    See, this is a huge one right here and I agree about the scouting. In all seriousness, why the F is Terry Bradway still employed by this team after like 13 years or something ridiculous like that? His track record proves that he's not the guy for the job. There's something more to that situation I'm sure. For once it'd be nice to make a first round pick that most everyone feels confident about and not one one of those project iffy picks.
     
  10. 101GangGreen101

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    He must have the key to Woody's heart. :sad:

    I am sick of the SOB - he should have been fired after the Mangini era.

    I can see it now, "But Mr. Woody! I wanted Russel Wilson, I deserve to stay!"

    :mad:
     
  11. JetsNation06

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    :rofl: exactly
     
  12. Barcs

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    Sounds like the usual darksider arguments. Nothing to see here.
     
  13. Jets Esq.

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    I don't think that Rex necessarily believes that he is going to be fired. I think he knows that Idzik wants to fire him (and that he is having his people draw up lists of who they want to interview), but he also knows that Woody Johnson will have the final say. Idzik has to make the preparations in case WJ signs off on the firing, but the fact that he is making those preparations does not mean it will happen. WJ probably has not told Idzik or Rex which way he is leaning, and certainly nobody in the media knows, so we will just have to wait for the news on Monday.

    Woody knows that the players all want Rex to stay, and most of the fans and sportswriters do as well. Normally that doesn't matter a ton necessarily, but when it's unanimous- and when he's rallying the team to play hard in meaningless games, I do think that says something. He also remembers that the Jets were projected to be the worst team in the NFL, yet, they could end up being only 1 game short of making the playoffs if they beat the Dolphins. If the Jets beat the Dolphins, Rex will have had 1 losing record in 5 years, 2 including near Super Bowl appearances, despite having the worst QB play in the league over those 5 years! Yes, that would be a disappointing run for Green Bay or the Patriots, but you have to remember that Rex did all of this without a quarterback. We don't have Aaron Rodgers. When you have one of the best QBs ever in your division, and you have a straight-up bad QB, to get into the playoffs 40% of the time is a huge accomplishment.

    Yeah, you can discount the AFC title games if you want, but I think the better teams don't give up on their HCs when they show as much promise as Rex has. This isn't the Steelers where an 8-8 season leaves the entire city scratching their heads wondering what the heck happened. This is a team that has won 4 Division Titles in 53 years. I am not making this up. When you haven't won a Super Bowl since the moon landing, I think that if you get a good coach, you hold onto him for dear life- you don't throw him away and say "let's go find Vince Lombardi Jr." because your first year GM wants to hire his own head coach.

    If they fire Rex, I will be genuinely sad to see him go. I just think that if you look back at the history of the Jets post-Namath, it's been Parcells, Rex, and a bunch of coaches ranging from horrible to unimpressive. And Parcells only coached the Jets for 2 years. The Jets are lucky to have a coach like Rex want to be here... Trust me, whoever the top 2 or 3 coaching prospects are, they are not going to choose the team with no QB and no offense. You're going to get one of the fringe candidates who will see this as their only chance to ever be an NFL head coach, or a failed head coach like Whisenhunt (who could be good if you got a legendary QB. But if you can do that, you might as well do it with Rex and have a good defense too.)

    I'll still be a Jets fan if Rex is fired, but I can tell you that I'm not wasting half of my weekends for 4 months watching the Jets lose over and over. I will give them 3 or 4 weeks and if they're not a good team, I'll just get Game Rewind and watch the 30 minute versions of the games on Monday or Tuesday, knowing that we won't be relevant again until 2015 or 2016. You only get so many Sunday afternoons as a young man.

    My big hope is that Woody Johnson will look at how much Rex has exceeded expectations, how he has been bending over backwards to fit the mold Idzik wants (no more boasting, always talking about "competition"), how all the players want him, how most of the fans and the media are all saying he should stay, how he's been at least the third best coach in Jets history if not the second best- and tell Idzik that Rex gets another chance.
     
  14. Cakes

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    How is Whisenhunt a failure? The guy built a good defense and he is an offensive coach. Rex Ryan is only about defense. I understand Whisenhunt won when he had a good QB and lost when he had bad ones. That makes him like almost all head coaches.

    Whisenhunt actually went to a Super Bowl as a coordinator and a head coach. Ryan has not done either of that.

    Yeah, but, Ryan won divisional playoff games two years in a row.
     
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    Let's just ignore the degradation on this team over the past 3 years. Here are some of the former all pros and solid players who were part of our AFC championship team:

    Ladainian Tomlinson
    Tony Richardson
    Damien Woody
    Brandon Moore
    Dustin Keller
    Braylon Edwards

    And that's just the offense. You wonder why the QB play and running game have gone down hill, most of those players were tremendous blockers. We haven't been the same since.
     
  16. jilozzo

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    Whisenhunt played for the jets in the early nineties....

    And the connection to whiz is current jets employee rod graves.
     
  17. TNJet

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    I have seen 5 years of Rex. The loyalty to Mark beyond comprehension, the off the field antics, the amateurish way he deals with clock managemenbt, and the lack of discipline that shows by our players leading the league in pre-snap penalties. I admit he is funny and he seems to be a good motivator, but the act is wearing thin.

    It's time for him to go.
     
  18. Axel3419

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    Very well written. and I agree 100%, though I don't think I'm ever going to shell out money for Game Rewind, haha. I'll still be watching the games; and I'll likely still be optimistic, but I'll definitely be sad to see Rex go.
     
  19. mr nyjet

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    he would have already announced that rex could finish out his current contract ( coming back next year, then evaluated for a new contract) or been given an extension if he was coming back.

    the lack of what I stated above led me to believe that the decision was already made and rex is gone.
     
  20. S.HOLMES.10

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    Why would you bring back Rex? If you knew the whole team was going to get gutted out and the offense was going to be crap? My Gut tells me he will be back!
     

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