I'll say this for Simms... he's got one hell of an arm. A lot more is needed to play WB in this league and god our WRs suck but I want to see him get reps with the 1st team in practice before forming an opinion. Also for the INT I'm pretty sure Hill didn't finish off his route (as usual).
I'm sure others said it also, but I know for sure I said this in the GT today haha. I heard Marv Albert bring it up, and couldn't believe it. I questioned what the hell is wrong with Rex not giving the kid 1st-team reps in practice if he EVER had a thought in his mind to start him/sub him in in place of Geno.
Our receivers suck, period, point blank. Remember the week 2 game against the Patriots? Brady's timing was off with his receivers, because quite honestly they sucked. Tom Terrific couldn't win with our line and receiving corps. I'm not making excuses for Geno, he has GOT TO stop staring down his receivers and holding on to the ball so long. However, the line needs to block better and we need receivers that know how to get seperation. That being said, Matt Simms provided a spark today, but not much of one. We need a total overhaul of our receiving corps, better guards, move Antonio Allen over to the SS spot and get a REAL FS, OLB and a shutdown corner. We will have PLENTY of picks and cap space to rectify this. This is frustrating beyond measure, but I have faith in Idzik to turn it around. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
I might sound like junc but I wish McElroy could've stayed healthy. He would be a better option as a backup over Simms IMO.
The name of this thread should be who sucked less. They both were terrible as was the entire team. It doesn't matter who plays QB. To say Simms had three times as many yards passing and using that as a positive when he threw for 70 yards in an entire half is a joke. He had 2-3 near picks and is no more elusive in th pocket. The fumble was his fault because if you watch Powell it was clear he was not expecting the ball. Both options stink at this point. The Jets are officially in next year mode. The season is over and the wheels are falling off at the end for the third time in three years.
This is like debating if you would rather see Rosie O'Donnell or Kathy Bates naked. No signature needed
I was gonna do this somewhere and I guess buried in this thread is the best place, if there is a best place. 1. Taking Geno Smith out today was the right move. He's cooked. He had no fire and no urgency and most importantly no energy out there when he was playing today. One of the announcers said he was robotic in the way he was playing and while I didn't see that I understand where the guy was coming from. There was always going to be the moment when it became clear that having Geno on the field wasn't good for either him or the Jets and today was the day. 2. You can't judge Matt Simms based on what happened today. I don't think that he has the stuff to be an NFL starting QB but I fully support him as long as he is the Jet's QB. What you saw today was par for the course of almost any NFL QB in his early games on the field, with very little talent around him and doing everything he can to prove himself. That Geno Smith has been dealing with the same situation all year just tells us how little talent the Jets have on that side of the ball this year. 3. The difference between the Jets offense with Geno and Matt today was the difference in the energy level that the QB put out. They both sucked and nobody helped them out much but Geno had given up by the end of the first quarter and Matt has not yet given up. Obviously Geno has been dealing with the bad situation for much longer than Matt has. Hopefully things get better around the QB whoever he is or we'll just get more of the same. 4. Who the Jets start going forward is probably going to be based on how people are showing up in the clubhouse and on the practice field. If Geno is cooked he isn't going to get back on the field. If Matt can stay fired up then he probably will be the choice. 5. We've done this before as a franchise. Their names were Richard Todd and Matt Robinson. The Jets really don't want to go through that again. I'm guessing a name shows up in the off-season that makes both of the current names secondary considerations once he shows up. The only way to resolve a QB controversy in which neither of the guys looks good enough is to find somebody who does. If I thought Geno had it in him to play well given the winds swirling around him I'd be in a different place right now but man he looked cooked today. Why all of the above? Santonio Holmes hasn't been healthy for most of the year. Jeremy Kerley started the year concussed and then hyper-extended the elbow. Winslow is 86 years old. Nobody else really means much in the talent base the Jets have on hand for 2013. You can't raise a Redwood Tree in the desert and you'll never know what the end result was supposed to be based on what manages to crack the surface in the end.
I would like to see Simms play for at least one more game. I think he deserves the reps and I think more importantly Geno is mentally cooked form the beating he has taken all year. Geno is the better QB right now but until he can mentally regroup there is no reason to put him in. He needs to sit and learn and use the off season to make big strides. Our OL is terrible and Simms pocket presence is very bad. Geno has made great strides stepping up in the pocket and now rarely takes unnecessary sacks. I would like to see how Simms progresses in pocket awareness with more playing time. If he survives he should only get better. There was more energy with Simms in the game. It gave the offense a lift. I liked how quickly he got rid of the ball and he has an absolute cannon. The next few games could be valuable experience for Simms. I would love to see him get the opportunity. If Geno can regroup mentally I would love to see him get back in for the last 2 games and end the season on a strong note. But with our inability to protect the passer I do not see either QB ending the season on a strong note. The Carolina game could get either QB killed with our OL. I do not want to see Geno come back against Carolina no matter how good or bad Simms plays against Oakland. Putting Garrard in for Carolina might end his career. I place the most blame on this season on MM. His inability to protect the QB all year long and expose the QB to unnecessary hits is the the major reason we are where are now with a QB with his confidence wrecked. Hopefully he will do a better job protecting Simms.
How do you protect a QB when 2 or 3 guys on the line can't handle their guy one on one and the defense is regularly sending 5 and 6 rushers? This is where I think things have totally broken down for the Jets. LG is a real problem, RG is having problems, RT and LT are both leaky against elite rushers or against a blitzer who lines up well outside them and forces them to slide over at the snap. This year has been 2005 bad so far in terms of pass protection. It's near 2007 levels. We are having trouble seeing that because of some of the names involved but the facts are that the Jets are really bad in pass protection on an individual basis this year. Once you get the individual deficiencies in play it becomes really hard to cover the weak spots. The defense just overloads on the helpers to compensate and you get one-on-one after one-on-one that turns into a whiff and a beeline for the QB. I count about a dozen sacks this year so far that have been jailbreaks right up the middle where you know the guy who got the QB was within a foot of Nick Mangold at one point or the other and he's the only really solid pass protector the Jets have.
I place the most blame on the shitty players. Their inability to block/get open is making the coaches look bad. Winters is getting destroyed weekly and D'Brick is not playing well. Greg Salas, David nelson, Jeff Cumberland, and Kellen Winslow are not good. This is just a partial list. Feel free to add the names of other shitty players on offense.
Weather or not Simms starts next week (and the week after) depends on how much Rex Ryan learned when he kept Sanchez in way too long. Rex has learned to shut up. I would bet he's also learned his lesson when it comes to benching the worst QB in the NFL. My 'house money' is on Simms finishing out the season.
I'd like the Jets to pick up a QB this week. Maybe Quinn. Simms should start just to see what he can do with a full week of practice with the 1's. If he shows improvement and general competency keep him in until it looks like an aberration. Otherwise switch to the newly signed guy. At this point the Jets should just throw every option and see if anything sticks. Similar to what the Browns did when they found Hoyer who unfortunately got hurt
I don't think so. I think you go with one of the guys who knows the offense, probably based on who looks like they're going to make the best effort to do something with the opportunity. Picking up FA's and throwing them on the field unprepared is just asking for more crappy play with no payoff in sight. Little old ladies sit at the slots in Atlantic City for hours at a time. Every quarter is a crappy FA QB for them and they just keep grinding until they run out of quarters.
Simms looked terrible. That being said, Geno's been no better. Matt McGloin is playing with Rod Streater and Andre Holmes, pure waiver fodder, and he at least looks competent. Whoever starts at QB is find with me but Simms did nothing by any stretch to "earn" another start.
Until the JETS finally draft and/or sign two legitimate #1 threats at WR...it doesn't matter who is playing QB!!!!!!!
Geno was missing wide open WRs today by 10 yards. Teddy is not missing those throws. Mariota is not missing those throws. Carr is not missing those throws. Murray with a torn ACL is not missing those throws. Manziel with a bum thumb is not missing those throws. AJ McCarron is not missing those throws. Boyd is not missing those throws. Mettenberger with a bum knee is not missing those throws. Fales is not missing those throws. That was Tebowesque today. You do not fix a cheap dime store leaky faucet with duct tape and hope it holds up. You replace the faucet with a brand spanking new top of the line faucet. _
