We keep hearing how Manning was 3-13 his rookie year and we need to be patient with him, but he's no Payton Manning. Is there any other successful QB in the league that we can compare this rookie season to, to have a little hope?
the only truly terrible rookie QB that became awesome was Manning so everyone always tries to compare their terrible rookie QB to him in the hopes they get another Manning - but they never do It is hard to imagine anyone being as awful as Geno then later turning out to be very good.
Stats wise Sanchez was like 12TD and 20 INT his rookie season...Smith is at 8TD and 20 INT through 11 games....so those that hate sanchez must really be hating smith.
That Dallas team was like an expansion team. They were building truly through the draft and from the Vikings trading of Hershel Walker
The only thing I liked about Smith was his poise. Nothing seemed to rattle him early on in the season. Now? He is rattled before games even start. So no, there is no hope in him for the 2013 season. The only real hope is that he somehow takes a giant leap from year 1 to year 2. Doubtful though.
Blaine Gabbert was much worse than Geno has been. He didn't have a single good game his rookie season and he had the NFL rushing leader standing behind him in the backfield to the tune of 343 carries for 1606 yards that year.
Smith will pass a Manning record if he keeps playing -- All time Interception record for a rookie!!! Go get that record!
LOL, and he never had a game his rookie season as bad as some of Geno's. He never threw more than 2 INTs in one game, Geno has had two 3 INT games. He threw only 11 INTs ALL YEAR, Geno already has 18. Gabbert had 6 games with no INTs, Geno has only 2. He had only one game where he completed less than 10 passes, Geno has done that THREE times already. His quarterback rating for the year was 65.4, Geno's is currently 62.1. Gabbert's lowest quarterback rating in any game was 26.7, Geno had ratings of 22.3 and--get this--10.1. Mind you, I don't remember single a game he played that year (including the Jet game) and neither do you--you just looked up his stats just like I did. For you to say Gabbert was worse than Geno is marginally silly based on the numbers, to say he was MUCH worse is downright comical. Although we appreciate your agenda and spin. Makes us feel better with our lot in NFL life. Our QB is not as bad as Blaine Gabbert. Yay. _
If you don't recognize that Geno had several good games this year and that Gabbert had none I can't help you out there. Having Geno be the offensive player of the week against Atlanta kind of makes the point indisputable.
As to the topic of the thread, the comparatively recent awful comparisons for rookie QB's who turned out to be good at some point include Eli Manning, Troy Aikman, Drew Bledsoe, Kerry Collins, Alex Smith, Matthew Stafford, Vinny Testaverde (more on the weakness of his 2nd season than 1st but both were bad), and a few others. I left out the ground and pound era and the 60's particularly because so many young QB's sucked as rookies in those days. Obviously the kind of start Geno is off to produces a bad career much more often than a good one but it's not beyond the realm of reason to think he might still have some really good stuff in him. All the guys above did. What most of them, including Geno but excluding Eli, share is a lack of weapons on the field with them as a rookie. Aikman did have Michael Irvin but only for 6 starts. Eli had some real talent playing with him when he was gumming up the works as a rookie. Edit: and of course Stafford threw 20 picks, with a 53.3 completion pct and 6.0 yards per attempt with CALVIN JOHNSON playing WR for him.
I do not think that word means what you think it does. So that one game skews all the other crap games he's played and that's what you're basing your argument on? Geno has played 2 good games and 6 shit games and Gabbert played about 15average to below average games. NEVER played a single game as bad as Geno's 3 worst. Yeah, you win. LOL. _
Ability in professional sports is partly consistency and partly range, with ceiling and floor as considered factors. Geno's ceiling is way above Gabbert's and he's had a couple of games this year that prove that point. Gabbert has been consistently mediocre to bad over the 3 seasons he's played in the NFL and his rookie year was all in that range. There's a reason he has a career 5.61 YPA. You probably don't look at that number as meaning anything but it is similar to having a 3.0 yards per rush as a back. You're just not getting the job done. For all his struggles, and Geno has been really struggling lately, he still has a YPA that is 25% higher than Gabbert's. The way to look at the two of them and compare is to ask yourself an easy question. If you had two running backs and one of them had a 3.0 yards per carry potential and the other had a 4.0 yards per carry potential but fumbled too often, which one would you try to develop? The guy who couldn't gain enough yards to play in the NFL but was safe with the football or the guy who ran well but had lousy ball security? The answer of course is that you go with the guy who can actually run and try to teach him to secure the football. The other guy will never win you anything anyway because he just doesn't have the talent to play in the league. Geno has to learn to secure the football or he is toast. Gabbert is just toast.
You are projecting what you HOPE for Geno and are comparing it to what we know about Gabbert after 3 years. But this is a discussion about their rookie years. Truth is, the have been equally as bad as each other as rookies. Geno has had higher highs but more and lower lows. I get it, you're a Geno defender and will make any case for him that you can, even indefensible ones. Geno's rookie year, on balance, is just as bad as Gabberts. No worse, but no better. He's got to have a better career than Gabbert because over 3 years Gabbert has been consistently bad. But notwithstanding your hope, we won't know that about Geno for 3 years. _
Yeah, and Sanchez was named Rookie of the Week the first three weeks of the 2009 season, how did that work out. _
Geno and Manning have striking similarities. They both play like shit away from home in bad weather. From I can tell, they be side by side in Canton one day.
You obviously missed the main point of the post above. I'll avoid trying to reason with you in the future because your agenda is apparently narrow and immune to common reasoning.
