We played 8 games and the Bengals are the first good team we played? While I agree all that means is most of the teams in the NFL are bad football teams. At least a few of them are going to make the playoffs. We have a shot to be one of them. Nothing wrong with being bad, being in rebuild and making the playoffs. All of those things are possible with this team.
this is the ultradarkside view and while i agree in part, there are some very promising players out there that can serve a s a foundation moving into 2014 and 2015. i think some of the frustration is the QB may or may not be in that group at this point in time.
I just watched the game on tape. There is nothing to make me believe that Geno or Simms can't be every bit as good as Dalton. Geno actually made some incredible throws. Simms sets up like a pro and deliveries the ball as quick as anyone out there. Geno's first pick 6 was a great play. The second one they are simply sitting on us at that point. Those picks happen to anyone when you're down over 30 late. We came up against a much better team in their house. We came out flat on both sides of the ball. This game wasn't on Geno.
Geno needs patience to develop. Considering the chemistry he had at WVU with a first-rounder (Austin) and a third-rounder (Bailey), the two of which could bail him out at any time... Geno needs game reps and time.
While I agree that we've sleepwalked through a few games and ended up with wins, I would disagree with the rest. I do think we have overachieved, but think we are an 8-8 team when it's all said and done. To be a .500 team with the youth/rebuild going on is pretty promising. Our lack of offensive weapons and a Jekyll & Hyde running game puts a lot of pressure on a rookie QB. He has said all the right things, has lead comebacks both at home and on the road and give him a #1 WR and a little better protection, I think Geno is every bit as promising as RGIII, Russell, and Dalton. Put AJ Greene here or Alfred Morris/Marshawn Lynch in our backfield and you would see a difference in Smith's overall play.
Have to disgree here, WB, but the first thing I wanted to say is I am so sick of seeing high Jet draft picks underperform. Sure there are Wilkerson and Richardson to balance them out to some extent. But along with Milliner playing like crap, seeing Wilson stuck as the nickel, Winter playing because three years of patience with Ducasse yielded nothing, Hill still "developing", the play of Smith perhaps I see as fitting into an unfortunate pattern. I don't understand how the Jets being behind excuses poor throws by Smith. The second pick six in particular was truly egregious. One of the worst decisions I can recall. It was not a high risk post pattern with the safety sitting on the play. It was simple man coverage, the db was positioned to get to the ball before the receiver, and it should not have been thrown no matter what the score was. Even if it had been completed it might have gone for five yards. What was probably intended to be a low risk low reward play should have been seen by Smith as being defeated by the db's coverage, and never thrown. I was also troubled by Smith's overt berating and questioning of Kerley earlier. I have heard much about Smith being calm and unflappable. I think he often is. But he is not always calm and unflappable, and it was far from clear to me that Kerley deserved that. We are halfway through the season. I think while we can probably agree it is definitely too early to give up on Smith, we should also agree if he continues to turn the ball over at the rate of two a game, that the Jets would be well served in the off season to look elsewhere for a qb.
i agree completely, and therefore i am surprised that fans actually think we are anywhere near being a contender. It is far too early to judge Idzik, but it will take him 3-4 years to turn this around and that is assuming Geno is his man. Otherwise we will have to start all over again with a 'give him more time' rookie next year. Same goes for the secondary, we have plowed down 2 1st rounders and a few high pick in developing it, if that doesn't happen, it will take time again.
i never stated that yesterdays game was/is on smith. just stating the obvious no one knows if smith is the ultimate answer at this time, regardless of how good or poor his most recent performance.
Smith is not panning out to be a good QB. Statistically he looks like Andrew Luck if Luck threw double.the amount of INTs, got sacked 3 times as often, and fumbled more.
statistically you could make a case for geno either becoming Peyton or Sanchez. That is the value of 1st year QB statistics.
depending on what statistic, but my point being it is not easy too make a call. It took 4 years for the organization to realize sanchez wasn't the man! that is NFL in a nutshell, it will cost less with Geno though as it is less salary and a lower pick. But the worst thing that can happen is that he continue to show promise but then flattens out year 3 or 4.
His issues are all on him. If he could learn how to adapt to NFL pass and rush defenses and hold on to the ball better he'd be a roty candidate. But after 8 weeks its hard to see how he's improving at all in those areas.
Other than Christian Ponder (who has been benched and is now part of a QB circus rotation), Geno is the worst rated QB in the NFL. I fail to see this improvement some are discussing. Comparing how young QBs did from 15 years ago is idiocy. The game has completely changed and it is significantly easier to play QB now than it was during Mannings rookie season; the massive inflation of offense shows that very clearly. He may not be a bust yet, but half way through the season, how can you trust this kid to be your future QB? What prudent GM would put all his eggs in this basket?
Ups and downs with him The upside is very hopeful...a larger upside than our previous rookie QB QB rating is deceptive, int's & sacks in a few losses are dragging it down
So 3 bad throws and 10 bad reads -- how many bad reads do you need to have on a 3 yard out before you wise up and stop throwing pick 6's into it?
Throw yesterday's game out. The team was down 14-0 on the road against a probable division winner and playoff caliber team. Geno has the skill set to play in the NFL. Unfortunately he does not have the experience or talent around him that the Jets had for Sanchez in 2009. With that running game and offensive line + a decade best defense, this team would be 7-1 or 6-2 at worst this year (they would have beaten NE on the road, Pitt at home and likely Tennessee). Unfortunately it is not 2009 and Geno is being asked to do more with less than Sanchez was at this point in their careers. He is just shy of completing 60% of passes with healthy 7.4 AYA. That is 5 completion points higher than Sanchez and .7 yards better in AYA despite throwing the ball over 7 times more per game. His TD rate is the same and his INT rate is lower despite throwing the ball more.
Why does this always somehow come back to a comparison with Sanchez. Sanchez was even worse than Geno is. But that doesn't mean the organization should pat itself on the back and put all their eggs in the basket of a guy who is still one of the worst rated QBs in the league. It'd idiocy and it's the kind of ineptitude that has led us to being a middling franchise for 40 years. And btw, you can't "just throw out the last game". He played in the game and threw 2 pick 6's. Stop looking for excuses, you'll feel better about the team if you realize that there is no reason we hve to make it work with Geno. Evaluate him for what he IS, not for how he compares to Mark or a rookie from 15 years ago, or what you wish he'd be.
These aspects of his game won't take a season for him to understand. It's going to take at least 2 seasons. No QB, can read defenses, and do all of the things you mentioned in one season. We seriously need to revamp this entire offense (WR / RB / TE) around Geno Smith. Not sure I can take much more of Hill's disappearing act. He looks like a 4th WR at best right now. We need more reliable weapons out there - not so much world-beaters but reliable guys.
is he one of the worst rated QBS because he is or because his backs are Ivory and Powell and his #1 WR is a guy who has been on the team for 4 weeks?
