Schefter: Simms has support 'within organization' to play

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  1. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    I agree that the best player should play, but it's foolish to think that the offensive ineptitude falls all on Geno. While he struggled when pressing in the 4th qtr, receivers dropping / missing balls is still going to happen no matter who is QB.
    I still think he needs to catch up to the speed of the game, and realize some of those lobs may work in NCAA, but NFL D-backs are to fast for that.
    It's a matter of if they're willing to wait for that to happen
     
  2. nyjunc

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    I think that says more about Geno than Simms and they are probably leaking that to keep geno on his toes knowing Sanchez is out a while.
     
  3. cval

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    Geno did not play well in TB or NE. He did not turn the ball over in TB and that was a plus. In NE it is not the drops it is the missed throws, late throws and bad reads.

    You can only dumb down the playbook so much but two Tds in two games means losing. Lets not mistake the Patriots having a good defense. Tampa let us have the underneath throws which worked most of the day how many three and outs?

    Geno is in a no win situation. His receivers suck his RB are average his TE is old. He is Greener that Mark was coming out of college playing in a system that takes time to learn. He is not going to last long in NY if he cannot throw in inclement weather.
     
  4. Biggs

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    Now that I have seen a couple of games, I don't think we have the personal to run a WCO. Our WR are big guys who can block in the running game and get open deep. They are not precise route runners who can take slants and catch the ball with their hands. Holmes and Kerley can but Hill can't and he is our big play guy. Our OL has some big nasty guys who would love to run block, we should let them. Ivory is a big nasty back, we should use him. Powell represents a good change of pace who can take a screen and block in play action. Hill can go over the top and drop or tip passes way down field where the damage of an INT or fumble is minimal. Hill can also block for the running game when it gets to the second level. That was the Jets formula in 09 and 10.

    I say MM O's our personal and Rex's D philosophy is a mismatch. Granted Marty is the best OC we have had under Rex but it's still not a good combination. Rex wants to run the ball and take his chunks in play action and combine that with D. MM wants to throw the ball and win a high scoring game through scheme. As long as Rex is the HC we should run a team that reflects him.

    I don't think the QB is the problem.
     
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  5. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    That's mainly what bothered me about the Morninweg hire.
     
  6. supersonic

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    Whatever you say Busta Rhymes...:lol:
     
  7. 85inthehall

    85inthehall Well-Known Member

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    When Sanchez had no one behind him the big complaint was that he had to pressure with job security. If anything it makes Geno have to think about being replaced. and if he is tossing 3 INT a game and 0TD you need to make a change.
     
  8. Biggs

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    People who complained that Sanchez didn't have anyone behind him to pressure him with job security where lying. Their real complaint is they didn't want Sanchez to play. With nobody good behind him that wasn't going to happen.

    How is thinking about job security when you're making a read with 290 pound lineman and 250 pound linebackers bearing down on you going to make you better?

    NFL teams that are good and going to be good for years have a QB that isn't being challenged by a backup.
     
  9. JetBlue

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    you don't even know what you posted and that it doesn't help your argument at all.

    of course making a sensible argument has never been your forte.
     
  10. 85inthehall

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    Those teams have a legit #1 starter - Manning, Brady, Rivers, etc.. not a team with a struggling rookie. Teams that do that are Cleveland, Jacksonville, Oakland...you don't want to put all your eggs in one basket only to find the handle is broken.
     
  11. Biggs

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    That's why you need quality management. Your premise was that the competition will make the starter better because they will understand if they fail they will be replaced by X. It's a faulty premise.

    The Sanchez is coddled crowd wanted him out. Do you really believe anyone who thought Sanchez couldn't get it done wanted him to play? It was never about the competition. It was about moving on.

    Anyone who thought Sanchez wasn't going to be a quality QB wanted to move on. They didn't want Sanchez to legitimately win a competition. As far as a QB competition? What are the parameters for a competition? The entire concept is nonsense.
     
  12. OverloadBlitz

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    At this point does it really matter who gets support to play. I like both Simms and Geno but what I want is decent turnover free football on offense from whomever starts. MM needs to run the ball more on 1st and 2nd down in order to help our young QB's. More rollouts/bootlegs/screens, easy throws to build early confidence. Taking a young QB with no experience and asking him to 5/7 step dropback pass too much is asking for a disaster.

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  13. FOURTHANDLONG

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    If Geno Falters is is the Teams responsibility to find out if Simms can play. A choice on weather to draft a QB in 2014 has to be made by the final game of this year! Period!
     
  14. Jets-N-Terps

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    He turned it over twice vs TB. 1 fumble on our own 9 or 10 yard line, and a pick.
     
  15. supersonic

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    You still think geno and genome rhyme, dummy?
     
  16. abyzmul

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    Looks like supersonic wants to talk about poetry instead of football.
     
  17. OverloadBlitz

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    Who gives a shit?

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  18. BomberJet

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    Did football IQ's suddenly drop here?

    When you install a rookie QB into a whole new system/concept, right from college to the pros, did anyone think it was going to be a walk in the park, or a stroll down the field to the end zone?

    There is nothing unexpected from what we've seen the past 2 games with Geno:shit:

    If you can conceive the notion that he's going to get his lumps and his humble pie fed to him each game , then you'll have to take it for what it's worth week to week.

    Rex has to watch his back......if he's going to commit to Geno, he better be prepared to take the heat from all sides. In the back of his mind, he's missing Mark....and peharps thinking that Simms is a stop gap till Geno gets his act together.

    Wouldn't surprise me to see Simms come in in the next week or 2....I think Geno will have a good game against Buffalo.. but it's hot and cold and week to week with his performance being acceptable.
     
  19. Jets Esq.

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    Some people felt that Mark was not taking practice and preparation seriously because he knew that he couldn't be benched. They wanted a more viable second option so that he would go "Oh crap, I'd better practice extra hard and extra long and only bang 1 supermodel today."

    Now, I don't know how hard or not Mark practiced, I have no idea. I'm guessing he was not slacking off, but that is the argument made in favor of having a viable backup to Mark. Of course during a game, it doesn't matter and you're not thinking about the backup QB at all, but practice and the film room are what set you up for the real game, and in that area it does make a difference and IF Mark had been slacking off, it's not crazy to think that that could motivate him. If he was already practicing his hardest, etc, then it's just about having a viable replacement.
     
  20. macbk

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    Only way I see Simms starting a game(s) if his Geno goes down on injury or absolutely plays like shit for consecutive weeks. Then again, if they have any vision of Geno being a franchise QB, they'll have to deal with consecutive week shit play. So therefore, Simms would logically only come in as an injury replacement.

    Would hope it's Simms > Quinn though.
     

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