Really? Sanchez the guy who routinely is late and off target to receivers is suddenly on time and not getting receivers killed when that's been his trend over his career? You do realize that constant off target throws forcing receivers to bend, leap or stop and go back repeatedly cause receivers to get hammered. Not saying that was a good throw by Geno, but to say Sanchez wouldn't have done that goes against 4 years of videotape.
Of course not, but there is rarely a basis in reality for anything that the Sanchez Stans on this board write. Collectively, they are among the most delusional and comically disingenuous posters that I am aware of, on any message board that I frequent.
I Knew you'd take the bait on the 10.5 error that included 95 but excluded 98. When you exclude 95 but include 98 it's still 9.7 wins per season, 9+13+7=29/3=9.7 wins per season, his record AS A STARTER in 96-98 11 wins over 3 seasons, that's 3.7 wins per season as a starter over those 3 seasons. 9.7-3.7=6 Or roughly 2 wins for every start her made. Your math was flawed, you credited the Chiefs with only a total of 23 wins over that 3 year span, the chiefs record by year,, 1996- they were 9 and 7. 1997- they were 13 and 3. 1998 they were 7 and 9 (his year as the primary starter). Again, math 101 9+13+7=29 wins, not the 23 you state. So during that span they had 19 losses, he provided 8 of those losses. So Chiefs 29-19 during the time he was with the club 18-11 without him at the helm, 11-8 with him at the helm. .620 Winning percentage without him at the helm, .578 with him at the helm. Remind me again how less wins = more wins? Really? Then again this is the logic from someone who thinks an interception in field goal range is as good as a punt. As for Namath not making the superbowl in todays game...If Namath couldn't make it in today's game Sanchez will never sniff it. Namath 2 time MVP by the time he was 26. Namath 3 time Pro-bowl by the time he was 26, or the AFL equivalent. AFL rookie of the year, obviously before he was 26. Superbowl Champ by the time he was 26. Two post season appearances by the time he was 26. By the time he was 27 injuries began piling up on him. Sanchez is lucky, good surgery techniques now. Many players didn't come back from Torn labrum's back in the 60's and 70's. Something else you don't take in to consideration on past players. Back then guys played hurt, they played with concussions, they played with fractures, they were pumped full of painkillers to keep them on the field. NOt to mention the vastly different passing rules, can you imagine Brady playing Redzone if the Goalposts (the old style with 2 ground posts and not one) was stuck in the front of the endzone, effectively acting as a 12th and 13th defender. Can you imagine Sanchez trying to avoid a pass rush where the O-line can't use their hands at all or it's holding? Can you imagine today's NFL where a defender can bump and hold and grab a receiver at any place on the field as long as the balls not in the air AND in their direction. Can you Imagine how hurt the small QB's of today would be back when roughing the passer was the exception and not the rule, there were no high hits, no low hits, and you had to be a REALLY late hit to draw a flag for hitting the QB. And yes, you did compare Unitas to Sanchez by drawing him in to the debate about mistakes being made. The mistake Pittsburgh made was never letting him take a single snap. I laugh at your statement about mark winning several games for the Jets, if he'd been a half assedly decent QB in 2010 the Jets WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BEHIND TO NEED A COMBACK AND THE GAMES WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SO CLOSE THE DEFENSE NEEDED TO BE CLOSE TO FLAWLESS.
I think he means it literally. Like if we only played with 10 guys on offense, no QB and Mangold just hiked the ball to no one on every snap, then we only would've won 6-7 games.
Why use his "bad" year, why not use Junc's "good" year of 2010 and the last 4 games of the season. where he was 1-3 in December with 1 TD and 5 Interceptions with a 53.85 Completion rate. Or even the second quarter of the 2010 season where the jets were 3-1 DESPITE Sanchez having 3 TD's to 4 interceptions over that span and a paltry 50% completion rate. In fact in his "Good" year in losses he had 1 TD to 7 interceptions and an embarrassing 48.5% completion rate. And this is the season where he led the league in dropped interceptions by a full 6 over the next highest guy who had 9 dropped picks. How bad is Sanchez and how many games has he cost the Jets? in his career in 29 losses he's tossed 23 TD's and 48 Picks and completed 51.6% of his passes. His "Clutch" Decembers have produced 10 TD's to 20 Picks and a, for him, average 54.8% completion rate. In "clutch" time where the final score is within 7 points he's thrown 32 TD's to 37 Interceptions with a 54.84% completion rate in those 27 games. His best month in his career, by far, is September with 21 TD's to 10 Picks and a 56.72% completion rate. His worst is of course December which is basically the reverse of that. But hey Sanchez was "good" in 2010 and has always been clutch in December in and close games...right? ha ha.
Awesome facts....of course you are about to hear how he "led" us to two championship games, the golden argument of Sanchez apologists.
You know what , you guys are 100% right... Mark is horrible in big games especially at the end of games... Like w/:50 seconds and no Timeouts...or in OT under a minute vs the Browns in Cleveland...or the OT win in Detroit..or the big PLayoff game in Indy and NE or San Diego ... vs Manning, Brady and Rivers...and except for that amazing game vs Houston They were all on the road! Look at how inaccurate he is when the game is on the line...Thank the lord we have Geno supreme to take us to the Next level... [YOUTUBE]8LL8FHwqDTs[/YOUTUBE]
One of the most valid statements in this thread. The sad part is Geno doesn't have to be really good to be an improvement over Sanchez. That said Geno has a long ways to go to show he IS the future.
Because about 3/4 of the plays were routine throws that any QB should make on a regular basis? and about 1 minute was used on non game footage? If I had access to the tapes I could put together a 30 minute clip of Sanchez lowlights without any filler, slow motion or replays. How many of the throws in the video are throws that EVERY NFL QB can make. about 3/4 of them give or take. For every "good" play on that tape I could put together at least 3 or 4 low-lights to counter it. Hence in a 4 year career spanning 61 games, at about 30 minutes on the field per game, give or take, that's 1,830 minutes of QB time, figure about 70% of that is huddle or running plays time that leaves 549 minutes of drop back time. 5 minute video is 0.9% of his drop back pass play time....So yes, Exception, not the rule.
or to put it another way, there are what, about 25 or so plays on that video, a couple of them are runs, he's had 1,867 regular season pass attempts + 126 sacks so that's at least 1,993 drop back's. He's rushed 125 times, I don't know how many of those were designed QB runs but we'll give him a break and call it 50% scrambles and 50% designed runs, though that's probably way high on the designed runs, so that's 2,055 drop backs. a 5 minute video with about 75% of them being routine throws and about 25-30, we'll call it 30 plays just to give him the benefit of a doubt...that's basically 1 "highlight" for every 68.5 pass plays. or about 1.4% of all drop backs using that formula. If you just made a tape of JUST his TD's and Just his turnovers the Turnover tape would be longer than the TD Tape.
no kept us in the game by leading us to 13 pts through 59 minutes? The OL was NOT having protection issues, the Ol had a very good game protecting the QB. w/ mark who is a better QB RIGHT NOW and has a better understanding of the offense we score more than 13 pts through the first 59 mins of the game. it's mind boggling how little some of you guys know. What do stats from last year have to do w/ this year? we have a better OL, better weapons around the QB and a better OC. This is why most of you guys look so foolish, you harp on the 2nd half of last year when no QB would have succeeded w/ what Mark had to work with.
stop embarrassing yourself, teams change from year to year. The team had a better record w/ him than w/o him the years he was there. what they did w/ different teams isn't relevant to the discussion. great honors for Joe but where was all the playoff success w/ better teams around him? Reading isn't your friend. I never compared Mark to Unitas just the fact that players careers aren't over if they are released by a team but you have to deflect so your fellow average fans will see it and join your side!:rofl2:
I keep hearing how everyone would take Rivers and Romo over Sanchez any day of the week. Yet those two guys are prime examples of QBs who fold like a cheap suit under pressure and mark rises above them. Sanchez is not a great QB, he might even be borderline good. But Don Bosco Prep has better weapons for thier QB than Sanchez last year and his OC should have never been hired. Schotty wasn't Chalie Weiss by any stretch of the imagination but even Schotty would have incorporated Tebow into the mix better than Sparano. So Mark had deteriorating OLine, weapons, and OC in 2012 and still managed 6 wins. That's pretty decent after seeing how bad other teams are when the QB is putrid (Colts 2-14, Lions 0-16, Fins/Faiders/Browns/etc multiple 4-12 seasons). Again, Sanchez Jets career is over so we can speculate all we want about how he might have improved this year if he started (which I personally think he would have) but its pretty obvious the Geno era has started. We have a bigger long-term concern with the team - Keeping the current HC.
You did notice the soundtrack, yes? A little dancehall ditty called "Right here, right now"... As someone that proclaims himself a "A realist" in his sig...you'd see the irony in that. http://youtu.be/huRd2cHcCao?t=25s "If you take everything I've accomplished in my entire life and condense it down into one day, it looks decent!"
