Where did it all go wrong?

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  1. Rod_2

    Rod_2 Member

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    I'm a huge fan just like the rest of you.
    And just like everyone else, I'm thinking things can only get better. Next thing you know, it's gotten worst still.
    I just don't know what to put my finger on. Rex is way to football smart to think they still have a contending team. They have gradually gotten worse. As much as I like Rex, he just can't come up with the right decision.

    The two things I keep coming backing to is not having a QB coach in sanchise first few years that could have helped him develope.
    Then the thinking they where better than what they were and standing pat after the first AFC championship game trip.

    Does anyone have an answer?
    Where did it all go wrong?
     
  2. mute

    mute Well-Known Member

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    The hunt for Aso...

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  3. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Jets didn't have their priorities set after the 2010 AFCCG against the Steelers. Instead of improving the football team - they decided to chase players that in reality would not improve the team. Wasting like 2 weeks on going after Nnamdi which led to overpaid contracts.

    If you really want to go back, keeping Schottenheimer as an OC along with that CS should of been flushed the minute Rex got here.

    Continuity, Priorities just were not in order.
     
  4. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    2 words

    EVERY-THING

    except Revis
     
  5. LV Coach

    LV Coach Well-Known Member

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    Matt Cavanaugh was the QB coach. Shotty worked with him and Sanchez the first two years. Not too shabby. Cavanaugh was retained when Sperano was hired. Sparano didn't want him. He wanted the one from Miami, but he went elsewhere. Things fell apart and regression was the result.. Cavanaugh was retained also because the Jets didn't want to pay his 3rd year.
     
  6. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    ding ding ding we have a winner.

    1. contracts that were to bloated too shed
    2. trading too many draft picks
    3. 2 first round picks in successive years that did not live up to their slots
    4. holding on to vets and bringing in stop gaps who were past their prime.

    if you want to know precisely when it went wrong, it was the day the steelers knocked us out of the afccg. there was simply nothing left in the tank at that point but tanny tried to make it happen one more time. he put off the tear down as long as he could and it cost him his job
     
  7. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/10...a-fined-15k-mark-sanchez-baltimore-ravens-nfl
     
  8. Jets69

    Jets69 Well-Known Member

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    Piss poor drafts, an bad contracts, to sum it up, out of the rex era, 5 drafts, we to this point have 1 stud, Wilkerson, that's sad, I really hope the new GM fares better in future drafts, an in FA signings, being competitive is going to be a few years away, but first they have to find a good QB, an at this point Sanchez is our best option, an that's not good.
     
  9. IdiditMawae

    IdiditMawae New Member

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    The two things that I see as "where it went wrong" are really tied together. First, moving up so many times in the draft, and trading away so many picks in the process. Second, taking a "win now" approach in signing so many older players who were short term solutions.

    When you combine these two things, you have to replace too many players with a limited pool of drafted players. Unfortunately, it causes a vicious cycle as you end up having to pick up more free agents to fill in the holes.

    I'm really looking forward to next years draft as we have a lot of picks, and we can start creating some quality, young, depth for this team. This is a more long term solution, and I'm all for it!

    Also, as previously stated, there's no doubt that overpaying players like Sanchez and Holmes has contributed to the problem.
     
  10. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    Ngati sack in 2011 on the night Mangold was hurt

    Bingo!

    I think Sanchez lost his courage that night. After that, the word got around that all you had to do was pound him

    Look at what Pittsburgh did ( helmet to helmet hits) in game 2 last year
    after Sanchez had a good game vs Buffalo and a good start vs Steelers
     
  11. Section 227. Row 5

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    We lift sings up and we put zem down....

    We lift sings up and we put zem down....
     
  12. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    I keep going back to sanchez getting his ass kicked vs Baltimore a couple of years ago. He was never the same,just like when Chad got hurt in preseason vs the Giants. I know there is much more to it.
     
  13. jdon

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    Drafting Sanchez in the first place. Frankly he is still here because of the extended contract. I did not want to see him this year. I did not want him hurt. I wanted him gone. I did not want to waste a season watching someone who was of no use to his team. Seeing if Geno can develop at least presents some hope. Sanchez offers no hope.
     
  14. AbdulSalam

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    It hasn't all gone wrong. buck up little guy. Its a new season - time to kick some ass.
     
  15. Rod_2

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    i forgot about how bad they were/are at talent evaluation.
    I KILLS ME DEEP INSIDE, to say Rex won with.........
    DAMMIT.................
    O.K here it is............
    Mangini players.
    O.K there it came out.
     
  16. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    He lost more than that. He sort of came back in a couple of games, until Hunter got completely ragdolled by Von Miller against Denver and then a few games later got a headshot by Justin Babin against the Eagles.

    The following season, he came out pretty good against Buffalo, and started well against Pitt before taking another headshot.

    He's got a bad stinger, and I don't know if the guy will ever recover from it. I know there is treatment, but every time he takes that shot early in the year (see: Saturday night) I'll know he is done.

    I have no interest in seeing the guy play for the rest of this season.
     
  17. mwojet

    mwojet New Member

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    I think this is pretty much bingo. Tanny's team was pretty top heavy, and Rex was a great coach for a team like that where he had some top-end talent and some guys he could get to over-achieve.

    But after all the draft trades Tanny didn't have the depth he would have gotten from the lower-round draft choices he kept dealing away - and when cap hell arrived, he kept pushing the bad news out with restructures.

    That, and even Rex's defense needs a QB who can manage the ball without giving it back...not to name any names or anything...
     
  18. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Just my opinion:

    1. The fundamentals of the entire strategy have been wrong all along.

    a) The Jets have not respected the draft since Bill Parcells left town. That doesn't mean the Jets didn't find good players but they used the draft to supplement the talent base as opposed to having it be the talent base.

    This is where all the trade-ups and cherry-picking came into play because if you're just looking for a few good players to supplement your talent that's what you do.

    b) Free agents and trades have been as big a part of the plan as the draft, more so in some years. This makes your good players very expensive. You don't find and keep good players under contract cheaply for 3 or 4 years in free agency or via the trade market, quite the opposite.

    c) The talent evaluation skills of the Jets personnel people and coaches have been inconsistent at best. Some good players, some bad players, very few star-caliber players.

    d) Not admitting talent mistakes in a timely manner. The roster is always clogged with projects and failed players that the Jets just can't let go of for whatever reason.

    e) The Steeler's motto is "a year too early is better than a year too late". It's a good principle to organize on. The Jets have generally been a year too late on the players they have let go.

    2. The Jets have been a defense first team in an era of explosive offenses.

    If your coaches are always on the defensive side of the ball that is going to skew the draft picks that direction and thats what has happened lately. It's not bad to take good defensive players in the first three rounds of the draft but it leaves the offense talent deprived and generally the teams that can roll up the score are the ones still playing at the end of the season in this era.

    I think that pretty much covers it.
     
  19. JetsUK

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    IMO it pretty much starts and ends with Sanchez - he just wasn't that great to begin with and sadly he doesn't seem to have developed at all since being here - I don't know how much of the fault lays with the organization (the Jets have never developed a QB in living memory so clearly there seems to be an issue there) and how much of it is just on the player.

    other contributing factors - overpaying massively for some players and failing in the draft too many times
     
  20. Ghost of 69

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    I think Rex & company destroyed not only Sanchez, but the entire offense with shitty trades and acquisitions...and trading away his receivers every year...The guy hasn't thrown to the same set 2 years in a row...even Peyton Manning said how important it was to "know what your receivers are gonna do." Who the hell trades away the leagues leading running back because of an up-coming bonus. Sorry...I'm at a total loss at the behavior of the front office. I'm shocked Chez hasn't taken the gas pipe with his NFL experience so far with the Jets.
     
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