is the job to go out and put up the best fantasy #s or is it to go out and win? You don't win w/ bad players especially at the QB position, maybe you can have one fluky year if everything breaks right but back to back title game apps needing 2 road wins each year? one losing season in 4 years? Not happening w/ poor QB play even w/ truly great defenses which OBVIOUSLY we never had. Our D's were very good, we didn't have the '85 Bears D which by the way only won 1 SB b/c they couldn't sustain the quality QB play they got from McMahon in 1985.
probably letting my frustration get the best of me, heating oil tank is leaking, big pain in the ass to clean up/fix so the bad day with sanchez just makes me feel like hes shitting the bed. he cant really afford to have any more days like today. today was really bad. cant only complete 3 balls on 9 passes with an interception. sure the int was batted in the air, and geno is getting sacked a whole lot more, but geno keeps getting better, and mark started hot but has been faltering a bit since.
The job is to go out and win and in 09 and 10 things did break right for us. But eventually the bottom fell out and that's why the team is where it's at right now. You can't have sustained success with QB's like Mark Sanchez at the helm. It's only possible if you keep the talent base at a certain level around him. The Jets failed to do so, and in process Sanchez got exposed in 11 and 12.
the competition is just beginning, we'll know more after Saturday and the upcoming exhibition games. The bottom fell out b/c we lost a ton of talent. we had sustained success w/ mark. Through 3 years no team had more playoff wins, through 4 only 2 teams have more. Pitt and Ben have made the same amount of postseasons, Eli & NYG have made less. He needs talent, he's not Tom Brady that can succeed w/ anyone- there is only 1 Tom Brady. mark has the potential to be very good, he showed us that in 2010, he took a step back in '11 but still was good overall then fell off the cliff in 2012 w/ no one to throw to.
Hahahahaa... I can just picture Tom Coughlin standing on the sideline in Dallas or Washington or Philadelphia watching Sanchez taking snaps. The man is a walking heart attack to begin with. You'd see a full-blown epileptic seizure.
sanchez didnt get exposed, the offense went anemic because schotty never changed his schemes and opposing d's knew or had a very good idea of what plays we were running based on our personnel, packages, and motion. last season, the offense was so plain and underdeveloped that without the talent to win the one on one battles, it became one of the easiest offenses to defend against in the nfl; not because of sanchez, because of scheme and personnel its not about needing superior talent around him in order to be effective, its just that the talent on this team has eroded to the point where last season happened. last season is not the fault of the quarterback. if it were marty wouldnt want a damn thing to do with the guy.
You may be onto something here, it is a disservice to Rex Grossman that I compared Sanchez to him. It's more like Joey Harrington. Keep up with me junc.
Did you just compare Eli to Mark Sanchez? Because of one stat (1 less TO than Mark since Sanchize entered league) You for real? :rofl2::rofl2::lol::lol::lol:
If Tom had Sanchez he'd have the same # of rings. Do people forget how Giant fans were running Eli out of town before the SB run? DURING that 2007 season? The difference is they kept adding pieces around the QB while we kept letting pieces go.
I hardly think so. Mark is not the same QB Eli is. Eli learned from his (many) mistakes and then did a fairly good job of correcting them. The same cannot be said for la máquina de la interceptación. Very, very fair point. And I certainly do remember this. And while your second point also has merit, the fact remains that Eli overcame his shortcomings intra-season, even. He got beyond them, stopped making the bad throws and turned it into a huge positive and has never looked back. Sanchez doesn't seem to have that ability, sad to say. The ball security, the bad decisions, some of those things could have been overcome by him mentally and you just don't make those same throws and mistakes. Was he able to do that as Eli did? No. Furthermore, he just doesn't have the talent Eli has. So even if he had been able to correct the idiotic issues with ball security and bad decisions, he just doesn't have the talent to make thows Eli has been abel to make to get himself back in good graces. Not only does Sanchez continue making the mental errors (and this is the most frustrating thing for everyone... Ryan included adn even moreso) but even if he could stop the nonsense, he just isn't the level of QB who can improve his timing, accuracy and zip. Please let's not compare Eli to Mark anymore. This is nonsensical. There is no one in his right mind who would assume the NY Giants would swap QBs even over and expect the same number of wins and losses. It's just ludicrous for me to even have to waste the keystrokes trying to explain the obvious.
Eli saw talented player after talented player acquired by NYG, that's a major reason why he got so much better ad he is STILL very inconsistent despite the great talent. One week he looks elite, the next week he looks terrible. You never know what you will get w/ him despite playing w/ elite talent. Eli didn't overcome anything in 2007, he had a mediocre reg season and played well in postseason like Sanchez in 2009. But why doesn't Mark get credit for getting better? I agree Eli is more physically gifted and did grow up w/ a very good NFL QB teaching him as well as great big brother(luckily for the Giants peyton didn't teach him how to play in the playoffs) but talent makes a huge difference, switch the situations and I 100% believe mark would be a 2 time champ and everyone would love him while Eli would be run out of town by us. Eli is much better right now, Mark was better in 2010 but again talent has more to do w/ that than anything else. mark has never had the weapons Eli has had and eli has had consistent weapons while mark has seen his weapons shuffling in and out every year.
They weren't great individually but Greene and LT was a good duo and both had timely runs that helped us at different moments during that season. Do you realize you are the only one that's dismissing the run game? You'll literally say anything to prop up Sanchez. It's sad.
you do realize you just talked completely around all of the points that i made? you didnt address anything other than the eli manning point. which i suspected you would do. so now here 3 pages and probably 18 posts later you have continued to do the same dog and pony show. talking about how this guy ranks vs mark and how mark coulda woulda shoulda been able to do this or that if this or that had happened. YET YOU STILL CANT TELL ME WHY HE CANT THROW AN OUT ROUTE, YOU STILL CANT TELL ME WHY HE CANT HIT THE RB ON THE FRONT SHOULDER ON A SCREEN PASS, YOU STILL CANT TELL ME WHY HE FOLDS UP OR THROWS UP A PRAYER MULTIPLE TIMES A GAME BECAUSE HE FEELS PRESSURE OR FEELS WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE PRESSURE. YOU HAVE ADDRESSED NOTHING THAT IS WHY PEOPLE GET ANNOYED WITH YOU, YOU REALIZE YOU ARE WRONG BUT REFUSE TO ADMIT IT, INSTEAD YOU BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH FOR MONTHS ABOUT MARK WOULDVE DONE BLAH BLAH BLAH IF HE WAS ON THE GIANTS AND OTHER ASSOCIATED BULLSHIT. its not about supporting or not supporting mark sanchez, its not about anything other than you at this point and you trying to get a rise out of all the posters. anyone who looks at what has gone on in this thread objectionably would realize you are a troll.
Nyjunc is obviously on some meth. To say Eli and Mark are similar is the definition of asinine. Mark will never be Eli. Ever. What has Mark done right that Eli has not?
You consistently fall back on the argument that Sanchez has not been surrounded by the talent other teams have in their arsenal, and this argument has merit to a degree. But you, on the other hand, give no recognition whatsoever... not the sightest bit... to the fact that Sanchez does nothing to help the situation. You don't hold him accountable for anything... it's all on the surrounding talent and has nothing to do with his abilities. Winning QBs overcome obstacles and revolving-door coaching and injuries and media hassling and fan disapproval. Eli did! The fans wanted his head on a stick! And he corrected a lot of his mental errors and moved on. In short, HE IMPROVED! Not the case with the Annointed One. Lack of surrounding talent didn't cause him to ignore Ryan's advice and stop making the low-percentage throws. Lack of surrounding talent didn't force Sanchez to hold onto the ball when Coach Ryan told him 18,000 times to not do that and to throw it away. Surrounding talent doesn't force Sanchez to continue, over and over and over again, to throw into VFW convention-like coverage. And lack of surrounding talent doesn't cause Sanchez' brain to lose concentration when throwing the ball, forcing him to throw 12' over the head, or at the ankles, or behind the receiver, turning him into a real time contortionist or worse, a cripple who has to catch the ball while seeing the freight-train coming. Arrested development. We've gone as far as we can with this guy. Time to send him back to the Land of the Fruits and Nuts.
Where have I dismisses the run game? I am bringing a dose of reality to this discussion as I always do while you guys try to knock Sanchez by pretending we had the '85 Bears D and Walter Payton/Emmitt Smith in the backfield. Our run game was GOOD not great, it was not top 5. I will always be here to combat misinformation.
Our run game was not top 5 but Sanchez was top 10? Like I said you'll say anything to prop up Sanchez. So if YOU say the run game wasn't great then the run game wasn't great? Who died and made you the authority on all things Jets? The reason Sanchez get "knocked" is because he sucks. Maybe if he had played better we wouldn't "knock" him as much.
Where did you ask about those things? and the answer is he CAN and he has. if he couldn't he would never have had any success. I have addressed nothing, this coming from a leader of the group that does nothing but post rankings and does everything they can to try to knock Sanchez. I do b/c it is a fact. I have always bashed him when he deserved it, I have never absolved him of blame. I don't just pile on him and blame him for everything like most on here do, I present the other side. There are valid reasons that people ignore, maybe I lean to much on them and make some excuses from time to time but the reality is I have never called him anything more than he is. He clearly isn't as bad as he showed last year, no QB would have had success w/ our healthy talent. he's proven w/ solid talent he can play very well and win. Eli didn't, he's been surrounded w/ elite talent since day 1. he's never had Kerley as his #1 or had Chaz Schilens starting. Despite all the talent he's led them to missing 3 of the last 4 postseasons in a division w/o a great team. The one time they made it they went just 9-7.
