Sanchez just sucks... just sucks. (all Sanchez complaints here)

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  1. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Whatever. I keep picking the right Horses.

    Garrard, didnt make it to the Starting gate.

    Smith will be riding pine week 1.

    You can keep being ascerbic, and wrong....the wrong part is amusing enough to make the acidity humorous.

    At least myarguments havent devolved to.....blow me.:rofl:
     
  2. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    The Pats offense is perfectly tailored for him. Ive said it a thousand times, its the way our offense should be run. The Pats run a high percentage of plays from the Shotgun. And their staple is the Shallow cross

    And I find Genos release to be far quicker than Brady, or Sanchez.

    Remind me agian how valuable Brady was, after he got injured and Matt Cassell stepped in?

    What did they win11 that year? The division?

    Tell me we are hiring the pats OC, and I'm on the other side of the fence.

    Do you even watch football?

    Brady,Welker...Smith,Austin.

    (and..at least while he was in college, Smith was better at it.)

    Scheme matters.

    And most teams are still not built to defend that style of offense.

    What was it Rex said? "we can handle the Patriots, if the rest of the league would play defense" something like that?
     
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  3. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    LOL! I'm wrong???

    Look at this turd:

    You're intimating that Brady can't throw outside the numbers. You pick stats from the last few years because they suit your argument while discounting the fact that before Moss and Welker were acquired the guy made his money outside the hashmarks to shitty receivers.

    The Pats went inside the hashmarks because it made more sense monetarily. Belichick spent the better part of a decade striking out on trying to find the two prototypical TEs that Gronk and Hernandez ended up being.

    The system is designed to go inside the hashmarks because they finally found the combination of size and speed inside that they had been looking for, for YEARS.

    You act like Brady is forced to go inside because he is limited. The only year that Wes Welker spent with the Pats that he didn't rank either 1st or 2nd in total league receptions was the year he was coming back from the knee.

    Gronkowski and Hernandez have both broken records in their short time in the league.

    Is Brady really supposed to be throwing outside the hashmarks when the design of the offense has defenses so unprepared?

    Your idiotic attempts to call Tom Brady a system QB while he has consistently won in different systems may make you look more like a fool than the Sanchez crap. Tom Brady has won with both good and bad offensive talent at receiver. But when he had great talent catching the ball, he is legendary.

    Fuck you for making me argue for the Pats.
     
  4. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    I didnt say cant. He can. When heaving to Randy Moss as defenses clue on Welker. Exactly one season.

    Way to twist words.

    Are you going to argue that their slot guy hasnt been the leading receiver for years?

    Or thats not how their offense is constructed?

    Or does the concept of construct confuse you?

    Welker, leading receiver.

    Gronkowski gets drafted becomes all world.

    Hernandez, almost, but not quite.

    Its they way they play.

    Even Rex, has said as much...not directly at Brady, but more or less at their systemic offense, in fact famously complaining to the league about it.

    Maybe you missed that.

    Brady is a guy that couldnt unseat Drew Bledsoe, and whose backup still won 11 before going on to mire in mediocrity after leaving new england.

    Scheme Matters.

    Oh, and...since you want to play defense for the Pats...how many rings have they won since Spygate?

    Most of you guys like the argument that Brady made Belli. I see it the other way.
     
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  5. NYJets17

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    ^Lol thank you abyzmul. I didn't have the energy to go down that road...again. Hobbes actually tried to make the argument that teams were correct to pass on Brady till the 6 round. That was about it for me.
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    no one paid attention to Welker, Ds were focusing on Moss not Welker. Welker has never been the focal point of defenses.

    Drew just signed a $100 mil deal, they weren't changing QBs to start that season but they would have sooner than later as they kept losing with Drew then miraculously started winning as soon as Brady came in.

    How many SBs does that scheme have w/o Brady? ZERO, check Belichick's record w/ and w/o Brady and they haven't won a SB since spygate but they did make 2 and go undefeated.
     
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    Brady is still the best short passing QB/ slow death QB in the game. He's insanely accurate and his anticipation within 10 yards is probably the best ever.

    However, as we've seen in the playoffs- when athletic defenses force him to beat them down the field, he'll struggle a bit.

    Giants, Ravens, Jets in 2010.

    Gronk being hurt obviously is huge though too. He needs guys who can go get it for him.
     
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    Lmao this is such a great moment in troll history. Geno makes Brady expendable, but somehow not Sanchez.
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    When your TEs are your best deep threats that doesn't tend to lend itself to a great downfield pass game.
     
  11. Trip McNealy

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    Sure. But that's how you beat the Pats. Play bump, man to man if you have good corners...and force him to beat you deep.

    That's why the Jets keep drafting CB's.
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    and yet outside of that playoff game we have been torn apart in the last 5 games we have played them.

    The Giants beat them both times w/ a ferocious pass rush, their secondary was mediocre but looked great b/c Brady was always harassed.
     
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    Hobbes is without question the greatest message board personality I've ever seen. Between this place, every Knick site I've ever gone to, any general sports site... he takes the cake. You almost want to think he's trolling. It's nothing but pure entertainment.
     
  14. Trip McNealy

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    Well yeah the Giants took away the short passing game also.

    Jets didnt blitz in the 2010 game as they let their athletes man up and it worked. Obviously the Pats have adjusted since then...

    But the Ravens D has had his number the past two seasons....Brady struggles getting the ball down the field when the uptempo offense breaks its rhythm.
     
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    Some excellent points. Scheme ABSOLUTELY matters
     
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    Hahahahahaa.... hilarious!
     
  17. TonyMaC

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    Scheme matters... but evidently the QB doesn't.

    All they are, all they have to provide is physical skills which is the only thing that vary's between them.

    All good QB's are a product of a good system and good weapons. Theres hardly anything they provide by themselves other than their arm, thats the argument.


    Thats so extreme it could win the fucking X games.
     
  18. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Wrong.

    Twist this.

    Why would I argue that? Of course he has. He has also been ranked #1 or #2 in reception IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE since he joined the Pats, the sole exception being 2010 when he was coming back from injury.

    Yes. IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. Not just on the offense. When you have one of easily the best quarterbacks in NFL history and you can give him a weapon like Welker, that is the kind of result you get. Thinking it's just because of the scheme is fucking absurd.

    Yep, sure can't have anything to do with the future HOF QB throwing them the ball.


    Maybe Rex was frustrated because their smoke and mirrors are better than his. I'd complain, too.


    Tom Brady was a second year 6th round pick when he "couldn't unseat Bledsoe", a former 1st round QB that played in the Super Bowl not long before.

    Yeah, no fucking shit. But it's not the be-all end-all of success, otherwise Mike Martz would have won a Super Bowl as OC prior to Kurt Warner "failing to unseat" Trent Green in 1999.

    LOL. Maybe you should go back to my SpyGate posts from years back to get some ammo, because I can make that argument far better than you.

    Wait, I thought spying made them both? Do you even know what your argument is anymore?

    And most of you guy like to knock down a quarterback that will go down the annals of NFL history as one of the greatest passers ever, just to fail to argue for a QB that hasn't even mastered the art of the screen pass, which most mediocre QB have learned by their 2nd season.

    You have proven over the last few months just how absolutely terrible you are at this.

    But keep going, I have an open calendar today.
     
  19. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Explain Matt Cassel.
     
  20. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Weak fucking schedule + Randy Moss + Wes Welker.
     
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