Sanchez just sucks... just sucks. (all Sanchez complaints here)

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  1. TonyMaC

    TonyMaC Well-Known Member

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    not his call. they'll put smith in when he's ready.

    Sanchez is in such a weird spot right now... the man everybody says will win the battle but will inevitably lose the war. starting week 1 but done well before week 17... unless he gives a damn good reason to not do that.
     
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    Winning 3 of the first 4 games should help.

    But if Sanchez can't seem to get his shit together, do you throw Geno to the wolves?

    Should be an interesting season...
     
  3. Jeti

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    It's his call if he sees fit

    Idzik will cut Sanchez if shows an ounce of favoritism and goes Sanchez over Smith

    Now honestly I look at from this view I want Geno to be as prepared as possible

    I prefer him starting and the Jets doing him like Seattle did Wilson, they have very similar skill sets and Genos mechanics are really improving

    Limiting Geno to 20 throws with a lot of running, reverses, screens and some read option is the way to go for this team
     
  4. Br4d

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    Whoever plays QB for the Jets it's not going to be a 20 pass a game offense. That's just not the way Marty M's offenses run. I'm guessing we're talking like a 34 pass/31 run ratio or in that vicinity this season.

    If the Jets had a good established QB we'd be talking close to 40 passes a game and probably 30 runs. As it is they'll probably have a few less overall plays on offense and they'll call a few more passes than runs.

    Last year the train wreck was 50/50 on runs and passes and now the Jets have brought in a coordinator who favors the pass and has been very successful using a pass heavy attack.
     
  5. Jeti

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    Then MM should go at the end of the year with Rex

    You play to the strengths of your personnel not your philosophy

    Rex can't run the D like he did with Revis at CB he's got to mix it up

    Marty has to protect the QB from losing us games
     
  6. Br4d

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    The Jets don't have strengths on the ground either. They have just as many questions there as they do at QB. There's no Curtis Martin or Thomas Jones to take the carries here. Nobody to base a ground attack around with any predictability of results.

    If the Jets try to pass the ball 25 times a game and run it 40 next year they're going to have a worse overall offense than they had last year.

    That's what will get the coaches fired at the end of the year.
     
  7. Jeti

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    The Jets can run sweeps, screens and tosses to get the ball on the perimeter and let guys like Goodson, Ivory, Holmes and Kerley attack defenses

    I'm not talking ground and pound but we don't have the horses to air it out right now
     
  8. Barcs

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    I am pulling for Geno Smith to win the job, but honestly I don't feel that Sanchez is beyond help. And come on, he actually DIDN'T have weapons last year, they were all injured. He did have weapons in 2009 and 2010. But then the salary cap caught up with us and we began unloading talent. He could find success in a system he is familiar with... or he might still suck. I haven't given up completely, however.
     
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    I don't mind throwing Geno to the wolves. I think he'll do a better job handling it than Mark in 2009. The primary reason is that Geno Smith has much more experience than Sanchez did in 2009. In fact he's had more snaps than Sanchez, than Sanchez had total. It's like 1500 to 400 in college snaps. Geno stuck around for his senior year and improved himself in all categories, putting up a 71 completion percentage, something Sanchez has never sniffed. This puts him way ahead of Sanchez when he first came in the league. Granted Sanchez has more experience now, including playoff experience, but Geno Smith isn't as raw as Sanchez was and I think he could handle it. He's a passer and he came out of a pass heavy system. Many folks think he's the underdog, but I think the competition will be very close. We might not have a decision until preseason game 4.
     
  10. Hobbes3259

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    I made that point too. I say no.

    2 new guards isnt doing the rookie a favor, and os a bigshot at getting him hurt.Who would you rather have in harms way, the guy you would be cutting next season, or the guy you just drafted. Later in the season, maybe that risk mitigates....but Colon isnt a spring chicken..land shit OL play is oneof the reasons weve struggled offensively the last two seasons.

    Its easy to blame Sanchez for all of it, but hes faced a good bit of right side pressure the last two seasons. (cue the Wayne Hunter defense team) Hunter wasnt any good, and Howard took a bit of time to catch on,


    if Sanchez is the reason you are losing, you extend the head coach, and use the season to help acquire talent at the skill positions.

    Now. I dont see that happening, but its better for the team, and Geno long term.
     
  11. Hobbes3259

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    Except, in his only year as a starter, Sanchez edged him in YPA, and Rating. Yes, Geno completed 71%, to Sanchez 65%, but only managed 8 more TDs on 150 more attempts.

    Now, secondarily, a full 33% of his throws went to Tavon Austin.

    Sanchez had the better final year. He didnt have a crutch like Austin, and i. Terms of QBR, and TD productions per attempt, was more productive.
     
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  12. laxin

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    You really pulling the injury card in order to get some more people on your Sanchez bandwagon?...
     
  13. cval

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    Sure he would have. You and Idzik pretty tight?

    No, you are just a twelve year old that can't think for themselves and is a sheep to the NY media.
     
  14. cval

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    There is lies the issue. Mark is only 26 he can get better he can fix the turnover problems. Like you said if he can't he will be gone if he does he will have a good season. He is not a grizzled vet he can still improve.
     
  15. cval

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    This is not Hobbs winning or get people on his side it is about what is best for the Jets. I find it funny how people can bash the online wfh are receivers Holmes etc then not give Sanchez any benefit of the doubt.

    Nope they buy into a meaningless play and rip Sanchez endlessly for it. The media bashes because jets fan are easy. Look how bad your team is and the fans fall in line.

    You listen to the media now the Jets will be lucky to win a game this year. Last year half this board was predicting we win three games and if we did not get bit by the injury bug we probably win 8.

    Support the Fuckin team. If Sanchez plays well he will start if Geno plays better he will not that hard to comprehend. The Jets have a lot invested in Sanchez he will get another shot no matter how many posts you say how much he sucks.

    If Sanchez wins the job I will support him if Geno does I will support him will you Sanchez bathers?
     
  16. ArmandJ

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    Well, you seem to have the fantasy that people are upset at just the buttfumble. I don't give a shit about it. That game snowballed out of control when we gave up three touchdowns in like 50 seconds. He has regressed terribly. I don't care how many 'lack of weapons' you have, you don't have like 11 turnovers to 1 touchdown agasint the likes of Arizona, Jacksonville, Tennessee, San Diego, and Buffalo. GOOD quarterbacks don't do that. AVERAGE quarterbacks don't do that. BAD quarterbacks don't do that. Terrible ones do.

    If you can't see that, you're blinded by Sanchez lust. Plain and simple
     
  17. Hobbes3259

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    Laxin, i dont care who is onSanchez bandwagon or not. Simple fact is. From what Ive seen, I like Smith as a player, and potential futire of the Franchise.

    Part of the reason, which has been admitted sideways by all of Sanchez' detractors was the quality of OL play.

    Throwing a rookie behind a substandard line, while trying to run a terminologically complex offense, would be idiotic.

    Its bad for the Player, and worse for the franchise.

    If Geno was to get killed be ause Colon was too slow to catch a blitzong LB, you are now married to Sanchez.

    In the converse, you are forced to move on, from a guy you may have been cutting anyway.

    Thats basic logic. You HAVE to pay Sanchez...let him take the risk and earn his money.

    Hey, of you think Willie Colon, is going to bring the line together like the Faneca acquisition did.,,thats another thing, but I dont think anyone with2 operating brain cells thinks that. Jmho.
     
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    No, you are blinded by hate and Geno lust.

    It is simply not possible to Judge Sanchez on 2012. Period. no QB would have looked average in that shitstorm.

    2011, thats fair.he still turned it over 26 times. But he did put it in theEZ, 32 times.

    I guess Sanchez was responsible in 2012, for Holmes,Keller,Hill ro miss 30 games. And the fact that the Jets had no OC.
     
  19. cval

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    Sanchez list that is your argument? You hate Sanchez because your friends laughed at you. We're they laughing when he was making playoff runs?

    Mark struggled down the stretch last year after the pats game. He actually played ok before that. Yeah Sanchez last. No I support our players I support the most successful QB the Jets have had since Namath. I don't buy I to the media BS. I find it funny how Kriegal bashes Sanchez then points out that nobody can be successful. The media knows Sanchez is not as bad as they make him out to be but they also know how easy it is to get Jets calling for Sanchez head instead of the real issue no weapons and average o line play.

    Instead of trying to fix Sanchez just dump him. Until the next guy sucks without a chance.

    I want Geno to sit because this is not a good team for a young QB. Redskins, Seattle had the best rb I the league as well as kap. The Jets don't have a good running game or passing game . why ruin another QB because as soon as he struggles the same guys bashing Sanchez will bash Geno.


    I think Mark will have great year and be the center point of this offense. If not the Geno era will begin. But if you think running sweeps and reverses like jeti as a bases for an NFL offense you are playing touch madden.
     
  20. Ajitator

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    "Petyon Manning had what may have been the worst game of his career, throwing six interceptions—including five in the first half—while going 34-for-58 for 328 yards."
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3647-colts-chargers-a-nightmare-game-for-peyton-manning

    "In perhaps the worst game of the Belichick-Brady era, ( Tom Brady ) the third-year starter was thoroughly outplayed by Drew Bledsoe, going 14 of 28 for 123 yards and four interceptions, one of which was returned for a touchdown by enormous defensive lineman Sam Adams."
    http://blogs.providencejournal.com/sports/patriots/2009/09/tom-bradys-wors.html

    "Aaron Rodgers' attempt to keep up with Brees' torrid passing resulted in three interceptions and a fumble"
    http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=281124018

    "Brees threw five interceptions for the first time in his career "
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/falcons-pick-off-brees-5-061650702--nfl.html

    "Matt Ryan had one of the worst games of his career Sunday when he threw a career-high five interceptions against the Arizona Cardinals."
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-blame-for-each-of-matt-ryans-5-interceptions


    I could go on but I'll stop with after arguably the top 5 QBs in the league. ( Note the Arizona Cardinals, fumbles, and interceptions to lineman... Sound familiar? )
     
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