I say this a lot but I want to say it again. tom Brady was minutes away from a SB where his main weapons were reche Caldwell and jabar Gaffney. When has Brees ever had talent that bad? #s are great but w/o wins what do they matter? Brees had a great #s year last year but he was far from great. That is not to say he isn't an elite QB b/c he is but he's not Tom Brady.
Brees plays indoors more than half of the season. Playing in open fields he's not the same. He shouldn't be on this conversation.
I don't think you can narrow it to a top 3 yet. I still think you have the 4 of Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Manning, and then the rest of the QBs.
Brees had 2,721 yards on the road last year and a 63.7 completion pct, both better than his home numbers. In 2011 he had 2,852 yards on the road and a 70.6 completion pct, more yards on the road. He's not a dome QB at all, he's a gunner who gets a huge number of yards through the air every year and tends to have more on the road than at home. He does pass for more TD's at home by a fairly wide margin but he's still only 6 behind Brady on the road, 70 to 64 over the last 4 seasons.
awesome. How many mediocre/bad defenses did they face? at Carolina- after car takes 28-13 lead he puts up 15-23, 175 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT in 35-20 loss. Meaningless #s. when the game was meaningful he put up 16-26, 150 yds, 0 TDs, 1 INT. faced mediocre D at GB: GREAT game BUT trailing by 1 w/ plenty of time left could only get close enough for 48 yd FG which they missed and lost. mediocre D at TB: great game, terrible D at Den: decent yardage total, threw 2 TDs but were out of game by 3rd qtr at oak: great game, terrible D at Atl: great yardage game throwing for 341 yds but threw 5 INTs in blowout loss at NYG: 354 yds nice, 27 pts nice BUT it was a blowout and mostly garbage time #s at dal: great game, terrible D We can't just look at blind #s, I am not sure how many times I need to explain this.
I will give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. In 2 of his 3 road playoff losses he has led his O to 30+ pts
you can find fault with anyone. Brees is awesome. Peyton is awesome. Rodgers is awesome. Brady is awesome. We need to stop analyzing every playoff game as if it separates these guys...on any given day they all can beat eachother. There's no clear cut best of the best of that bunch.
There is a clear cut, all are great QBs but their play in the biggest games separates them. of course we'd all love any of them b/c all of them give their teams chances to play in January and get to SBs but some of them(one in particular) really struggles in those games in January.
I wouldn't call him a choker but b/c a guy has won a SB doesn't mean he's not a choker. Peyton is a big time choker, he should have 3-4 SB titles and only has one- in a postseason where he played great for a half of one game and was mediocre the rest of postseason. he also threw 3 TDs and 7 INTs
If you win a SB, I'm sorry- you're not a choker. You dont think Peyton is capable of winning another one?
Brady's last 6 seasons are showing how great Peyton actually has been imo. One game elimination- anything can happen when the top tier teams are playing. They've all made poor throws. They've all made bad decisions. If Brady won the SB every year then sure I'd crown him the cut above everyone...but he's evened out as well. No one's winning the SB every season. Winning one is tough enough.
he's capable of winning one every year but unfortunately for his teams he always tends to choke and cost his team chances to win. Brady has 3 and 5 apps Manning has 1 and 2 apps The last 6 years widen the gap if anything b/c Brady has done what Peyton has done most of his career by putting up huge #s except he's done it outdoors and still made 2 SBs and 4 title games. For his career manning has made 2 SBs and made 3 titles games.
that's all that really matters. You can use these words like "choke" and so forth as if they're quantifiable- but Peyton gives your team a chance to win the Super Bowl every season. That's not a "choker" Troy Aikman is no where near Peyton Manning. Steve Young- one SB appearance, one win. Certainly not a choker.
Steve Young is a PERFECT example, he was a complete choker. The reason dallas became a dynasty and SF didn't was b/c of the QB play. Young was handed the keys to a dynasty and he barely won one and only won b/c of the jimmy Johnson/Jerry Jones divorce. Young didn't do it as long as peyton but much like peyton he was a great #s guy until January rolled around and he struggled in big games. They both had their one moment(though Young had a great postseason not just a great half of a postseason game like Peyton) Peyton is great and gets his teams to postseason but once there he struggles. all time great reg season QB, mediocre postseason QB. He's a legendary choker.
No one considers Steve Young a top 10 QB of all time. He however, was a GREAT QB. He certainly wasn't a choker. He won a SB. He won an MVP. He finished his career as a 63% passer. Who are these QB's that win every game in January that I must be missing? Considering Favre, Young and Manning are all chokers.
