http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-and...immerman-jury-who-defends-acquittal-decision/ Video within the article. Going to watch this now. Should be interesting, the quotes the website pulled seemed strange without context
At the end of the day he broke no laws. My issue is with the law itself which I see as flawed as we saw in these types of situations. It's really a shame but what is lost in all this is that Zimmerman has to live with the fact that no matter where he goes he will get dirty looks and stares. He made poor decisions that night but they should not have resulted in him getting his ass whooped either. The hate mongers aka Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson make the comments about Martin not committing any crimes which is a straight up lie. He battered Zimmerman which is a crime. This entire case was pushed by an agenda driven media and as Mark O Meera said , his job is to go after PD's that do poor investigations and he said the Sanford PD did an excellent job with theirs. That says two things, there never was a chance of conviction and the media forced this. The people who pushed for there to be a trial can't be made when the trial finds that the person on trial is not guilty. They essentially wanted Zimmerman to be convicted of a crime that he didn't commit which is a slap in the face to our legal system and those who founded our country. I think the ultimate irony is that dumb bitch Kim Kardashian tweeted out "No Justice" um dumb bitch who the fuck was your father, don't talk to me about no justice.
You keep using this comparison and you first used it when responding to a post of mine... while completely misconstruing what I said, incidentally. There is a difference between thinking a rape victim should be legally liable for "dressing sexy" and thinking that it might not be the best idea for a girl to be walking home by herself at midnight through a bad part of town... especially when she had a ride home. Never mind that it's a horrible analogy on your part given the circumstances. I agree with the verdict. Zimmerman was not guilty of what he was accused of as it was presented by the prosecution. And no one knows the truth of how that confrontation went down. Some things about his story don't add up (namely, how the bullet could have traveled the path it did if Trayvon was on top of him), but them's the breaks. It's his word vs. Trayvon's word, except Trayvon is dead. Just because I don't think he should have been convicted doesn't mean I don't/can't/shouldn't think he's a scumbag. You have every right to cross the street when the walk sign is on and the traffic has a red light. That doesn't mean I wouldn't think you're a moron if you got hit by a truck because you decided not to bother to check for traffic because, "Hey, man it was legal for me to cross the street!" Bingo.
Just because he did not kill Martin in cold blood does not mean he didn't instigate the confrontation. Stop confusing the guy getting off a murder conviction with his need to be hypervigilant. He instigated the entire situation. That is a fucking fact. That doesn't mean he is a murderer. But at some point this guy needs to pay the price for being an asshole that caused a situation that ended up with a young man dead in the street. He doesn't have to be a convicted murderer to have caused a death. I happen to think that he deserves to pay a civil price for the confrontation. Because he caused it.
I Think it will be a close case, but they may find he was responsible for the death because he instigated the situation. Civil court is very different than criminal.
If Zimmerman had come across a real thug, the ones that usually pack guns and use them regularly, he would be in the ground today. Lucky for Zimmerman, he got into a fight with a 17 year old instead.
I agree with you 100% although others will argue that he did nothing wrong. I just don't know how a court can say he instigated the situation when the state of Florida says otherwise. I don't know how you can apply self defense in one instance but in the other say self defense was required because Zimmerman is a giant pussy who caused his own ass kicking. Seems like a good lawyer would be able to get him off there as well.
From everything I can see, there will not be a civil case in Florida. Florida has a statute that provides immunity from civil suit for justifiable/excusable homicide. That means he cannot be sued civilly. The only other option is if the Feds jump in with a civil suit in federal court (which is not subject to Florida's immunity statute) for civil rights. But even that seems very unlikely given these facts.
You act like there are no 17 year old thugs in this country. I killed a number of combatants in the service of my country and know guys that killed more than that prior to their 17th birthday IN this country to prove themselves to gang peers. Zimmerman, by my estimation, is a weak-witted twat. That does not make Trayvon Martin some kind of altar boy. Let go of your emotions about this, C. It is likely that neither party in this situation is innocent.
I really do hope that there is a civil case filed, even if it is a federal one. Zimmerman seems like a class-A fuckhead, even going by his posting of wall graffiti stating Free Zimmerman on his Facebook or Twitter or whatever it was weeks after the arrest. I don't think he should have been convicted based on the case that was presented. But based on his history, I think he should be punished monetarily for being a turd. He should not be allowed to just walk away from this with his hands clean. I hope some dickhead lawmaker in Washington agrees with me.
Anyone catch the Irony of what Zims brother said? lmao... That Trayvon may have been out "looking to procure firearms"...
Well, you've got your wish already. This guy's life will never be the same. He has been advised to go into hiding for the time being, who knows how long that will take. He'll forever have to watch over his shoulder and sleep with one eye open. He'll find it difficult to find a job, go to the grocery store, and he'll never be allowed to participate in any variation of law enforcement again. He currently bears the slogan "most hated man in America." Trust me, he's not just walking away from this. This case will define the rest of his life.
That's probably fitting. Because judging by his behavior shortly before his arrest, taking another person's life did not take the toll that it should have. Have you ever taken another man's life, counselor? Have you ever even been in a fistfight? A normal human psyche takes damage from that. I spend most of my nights hating sleep. I hate it because I see blood and hear screams. I go to work hoping that those dream memories won't follow me throughout my day. I don't post pictures about how just my country was to liberate Kuwait. I don't post pictures of men in Iran celebrating the bombing of Khobar Towers to make myself feel better about the actions that led me to take a human being's life. George Zimmerman doesn't deserve to have an easy life. He is lucky that he is not in prison, getting fucked in the ass by a guy that thinks less of human life than he does. He should count his blessings because of it. He is not a victim. Just an exonerated defendant. Stop portraying him as a victim. He does not deserve to feel safe.
As it should, he took a young man's life because both he and that young man made horrible decisions. He shouldn't be championed as some hero because he isn't. He isn't a criminal but he doesn't get to walk away without blood on his hands.
Nobody said he was a saint Byz but he was hardly the thug that the defense convinced the jury he was. Too bad the Prosecutors didn't do more to develop Trayvon the person. So yeah, if Trayvon had been that prototypical gun toting thug, Zimmerman would be dead and this would be a different conversation assuming one would even be had. The Prosecution fucked this case up Byz. Quite a group they have down there in Florida. They thought they had a slam dunk, halfassed the prosecution and got their asses handed to them. Kudos to the defense team. They did their jobs.
At least he has a life to define. Perhaps the NRA can give him a job as an advocate for Stand your Ground laws. Zimmerman would be quite the poster child wouldn't he. Maybe all those folks that chipped in for his defense can now chip in to fund his new life someplace. At the very least, he won't be cashing in on this unless the Martins decide not to go forward with the wrongful death lawsuit.
if there was evidence that could convince the jury he was a thug, how can you dispute that evidence and claim that he wasn't? he may not have been a hardcore criminal like many thugs, but he certainly preferred presenting himself as one image-wise, and his actions on the night certainly were more in line with that image than that of an 11 year old boy running scared to daddy's house. I think it is a fair analogy; it is simply about whether someone who is behaving in a legal manner and well within their rights should be blamed just because that behavior causes a second party to commit a crime against them. should women take as much precautions as possible to prevent being attacked, and if they do not it is irresponsible? of course. but that doesn't mean that the woman has to stay at home, don't touch alcohol or dress like a prude. same with Zimmerman. there was nothing wrong with following Trayvon to give his location to the Police. and had he chased Trayvon down that would be the equivalent of getting too drunk, passing out and getting taken advantage of. not smart but not your fault if someone commits a crime against you for doing so. the question is exactly what did Zimmerman do to commit the equivalent behavior from simply looking good and having a drink to getting so drunk that she passes out and is raped? and if the social narrative in our country is to not blame the woman for such, how can you in turn blame Zimmerman for the equivalent? not judge his actions, but blame him.
I have completely missed much of the side conversation in this thread. I understand this is not a law class so let me try to put this in the simplest way possible and try to leave as much out as possible. Denzel Washington said it best, “Its not what you know, it’s what you can prove.” – Training Day. I am a person of color, and do I believe this was race driven? No. Is it possible that race had something to do with it? Well, we don't truly know. And if you don't really know, the benefit goes to the defendant. I am sick and tired of all these Al Sharpton wanna be constantly pulling the race card because our ancestors were slaved before we were ever born. This is 2013, yes racism exists in our world, but its time to stop living in the past and start focusing on what is going on today. Hundreds of black kids have been murdered in cold blood throughout the states this year alone, just look at what goes on in Chicago, why is no one rallying for that? Where were all the anti-racism folks when all the muslims, hindus, Sikhs were profiled, beaten, and mistreated post 9/11? Racism is wrong in its entirety. But let’s stop using it every chance we get to hate each other. I don’t want to get too much into this race fiasco because this is not what this trial is or was about. There was never any evidence to suggest that GZ was racially profiling TM. First off, racial profiling and criminal profiling are 2 very different concepts and ideas. Without going on a tangent, very quickly, lets just talk about the Zimmerman case/trial only. Its important to know that there is only 1 person on trial, that is GZ (George Zimmerman). It is also important to understand that it is not the State's job to find justice for Trayvon Martin OR George Zimmerman, it is their duty to find justice for society as a whole within the confines of the law (we will come back to this). This is a fundamental idea that is taught to almost every law student. Let’s face it people, this was a media driven case. An initial investigation was conducted; a prosecutor looked at the facts and correctly decided not to charge GZ. The media and public (majority from the African American community) went up in arms, and of course pulled the racism card which got us to where we are right now. The special prosecutor Angela Corey acted way out of line by not only over charging GZ, but, withholding VITAL evidence from the defense AND the court (this is the only reason a murder charge was brought forth). I hope she is disciplined for her outrageous and unprofessional comments towards GZ in which she states that he is a “murder” and for stating that he should have waived his 5th. What in the world she is thinking, I have no idea. A trial took place and a jury acquitted him. How in the world can a prosecutor go on to make such comments is mind blowing. To even SUGGEST that a defendant should have waived his 5th is a joke. People want to talk about civil rights, the only persons rights I see being violated here are GZ. Something happened that night, a boy is dead. The State was unable to prove its case because their chief prosecutor over charged a man and then back tracked to try and get a lesser conviction and then once again TRIED to back track and get a child abuse felony murder charge. What a joke. There is so much that went on in this case, it’s impossible for me to cover it all in a quick post. Put the race card away people, this was a self defense case that received a lot of publicity. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE PROVING GZ RACIALLY PROFILED TM.
