As you said, a new QB would help (or an upgraded one for us) which IND got a major upgrade and also upgrade their skill positions. (also got lucky) And for the Phins, wasn't that the Matt Cassell year plus the Wildcat year that got them to 11-5? Funny enough, both teams lost to the Baltimore Ravens first round, convincingly.
The year we went 11-5 was definitely somewhat flukish. Some of those games were downright pitiful and nobody deserved to win. We won many because, if I recall correctly, that was the year we set/tied a record for fewest turnovers, which is always somewhat luck when fumbles are involved. As you say, that B-more game proved we weren't really THAT good. Meaning, 11-5 good. Typically 11-5 teams are better than what we actually were that year. That schedule was ridiculously easy too
Chris Collinsworth is another I guess. I've looked at that play dozens of times, in hi-def, from every angle, and I still don't understand wtf Sanchez was doing. But, hey, they don't make t-shirts about any old fumble. It's gotta be special...
Collinsworth is on the Pats nuts. He went on and on about how Wilfork blew that up when in reality it wasn't that way
You had to quote that picture? Yeah...Moore was good and pissed at Collinsworth. We need to market a "good punt" t-shirt...
I actually sometimes want to like Collinsworth. He has improved his analysis over the years. But he talks through his gigantic nose for three hours and at times tries too hard to make a point that isn't there. I agree with you on this one, he dicked up his analysis on that play when it was all on Sanchez. At least he isn't Jim Nantz. That fuckhead would grow an extra mouth if it meant blowing Brady and Belichick at the same time.
That's how you took it? I thought Collinsworth was trying to make sense out of Sanchez's action - or shift the blame away from the QB. You know, if Moore was doing his job all right (like he was in that play) then it means Sanchez just ran into Moore's ass - no sane QB in his right mind will do anything like that. Quite obviously, that was what Collinsworth was thinking, I'd have to guess. [Wrong proposition, I'd have to point out as well! It is Sanchez after all.]
That play is Brandon Moore's fault only if he thought there was a good chance Mark Sanchez would be running up the gut with the ball at some point. Collinsworth said that Moore got blown up by Wilfork and that's why things ended the way they did. Ok, so what he should have said was that Brandon Moore had the best NT in the NFL stalemated at the line of scrimmage after pushing him right where he was supposed to go on the run that Sanchez either missed the pitch or the hand-off on. Watch the play. Sanchez turns to his left and, oops, flying by him on his right is the fullback who does not appear set to get a hand-off. Behind them Shonn Greene is moving out into the left flat, either in position to take a pitch and keep going or to catch a pass in the flat. He'll be 1-on-1 against the LB in either case, because... Everybody on the offensive line is doing their job. They've got everybody but the ROLB locked up in the middle of the field, including Moore who has Wilfork stationary just where you want him, out of the play with no chance to get back in it. Then Sanchez turns and runs right into the congestion in the middle of the field where everybody is stacked up. That's what caused the collision and the fumble. Brandon Moore, as usual, was quietly doing his job - in this case taking the Pats best interior run defender out of the play. Then Sanchez tackled himself and forced a turnover in the most embarrassing way possible for everybody involved. The Patriots are lucky Wilfork didn't die laughing. The last play in NY that was that ridiculous was in 1976 when Joe Pisarcik forced Giants management to recognize that what they were doing just wasn't working and hadn't been for a long time. Sometimes you need an Emperor's new clothes moment to get the message across. In this case Sanchez provided that moment. The only question is whether the people who really needed to see it got the message or not. BTW, watch Shonn Greene's eyes during that play. They are locked on Sanchez from the moment he takes the snap. It looks for all the world like Greene thought the ball was coming his way in a hurry because otherwise he'd have been watching the defender trying to figure out where his route was supposed to go on the play.
Would? I thought he just took one in his mouth and the other in his ass. Nantz doesn't even try to hide how much he loves Belli and Brady dping him. Sometimes I picture Simms wanting to tell him to just shut the fuck up.
A play that will live in infamy. The only way Sanchez can wash the stink of the buttfumble off is to take the Jets to the playoffs.
I don't think a playoff birth is gonna clean Sanchez of that fumble. That play will be the way he's remembered by the majority of football, and probably well deserved.
super bowl champs or its unfortunately his legacy. he can make it to the postseason a dozen times, it won't wipe that play away, it'l just become a metaphor for him not getting the job done. but a championship? now he's a triumphant story. zero to hero.
I addressed your points. You are using poor examples w/o context. You bash hiom for pt total vs. oak but fail to mention that game was played in a blizzard. you bash him for low pt total at pitt then prorate based on how long he played, how do we know he doesn't lead them to 20 pts in the 2nd half? I gave an example of the car SB where he led them to 7 pts at the time of the Pitt injury, after that he led them to 25 more so we can't prorate. It has relevance, the point is we don't know what happens in the 2nd half, maybe they don't score at all? maybe they score 30? who knows? he was a rookie asked to make big plays not to score 30 a game. If he would have needed to score more he would have. That is VERY different than peyton and all his choke jobs. I give credit to Miami for taking care of business b/c we sure couldn't w/ a HOF QB and a much more talented team around the QB but the scheds for our division that year was some of the weakest ever and we didn't have to worry about Brady.
When I watched the play live I thought Moore was thrown into Sanchez. It wasn't until I saw the replays that I realized what really happened.
I'm not a big proponent of QBR at all. I think it's a very subjective analysis by a few analysts of what a QB was supposed to bring to each play vs what he actually brought. That said, Mark Sanchez has been ranked 30th or worse in the category in each of the last two years. He ranked 36th last year which makes him worse than every other QB who qualified. When you get that kind of really poor performance over a sustained period of time the odds are really good that it represents the play value of the QB's contributions. Aside from general play level, which is clearly poor, I have specific issues with all of the following things that Sanchez does or does not do: 1. Refusal to throw the ball away when nothing is available due to the coverage scheme or a breakdown or just the failure of his receivers to get open. This is a consistent failure on Sanchez part at this point as he's probably tried to complete a hundred passes in his career that should have just been thrown away because nothing was there. The butt fumble becomes a sprint outside the tackle box and a lob to the sideline beyond the line of scrimmage with smart play. 2. Failure to protect the football in the pocket and especially when he is running with it. Sanchez still often holds the football in one hand when he is scrambling and he still tends to hold it down between his belt and his ribcage where it is easier for a pursuer to swat out instead of in front of him with both hands on the ball where it is not. He still pump fakes much too often exposing the ball to a strip sack every time he does that. 3. Sanchez release times are really poor considering the types of throws he tends to make. He hits slanting and crossing receivers on the back shoulder all the time causing incompletions on gimme throws that a good QB would make. He throws behind receivers in the flats consistently causing the ball to be incomplete and hurting his receivers ability to make yards after the catch even when they catch it. The guys Sanchez has been able to work well with in the flats are the guys who have a receivers hands and a tailbacks moves. Specifically he worked well with LaDainian Tomlinson and Jerrico Cotchery as outlets. Those are both guys who had everything going for them in terms of body control, excellent hands and great anticipation for where yards could be made after the catch. 4. Sanchez makes way too many risky throws into coverage. He's one of the few QB's I've seen who will routinely throw at a receiver that has a safety in close proximity to the play as well as the guy reponsible for primary coverage. He's made at least a half dozen throws every year that were just flatout stupid and resulted in an interception. If Sanchez had thrown away those half dozen throws each year his completion percentage would be exactly the same as it is now but the Jets probably win 5 more games over his career to date and they likely make the playoffs in 2011. 5. His ability to read the play as it develops is faulty to say the least. He is slow and indecisive on bang-bang plays, meaning the Jets get very few of those, and he throws the ball into spaces where everybody but him knows that somebody is lurking and things are not going to turn out well. He does this even after the clock in his head should have told him to throw the ball away but he held it for some reason often leading to a sack or an interception but only rarely to a positive result for the Jets. Basically Mark Sanchez just has so many areas where he's a mediocre to downright bad QB that it's amazing to me that anybody who actually watches the games can defend his play. He had a few games in 2009 and 2010 where it looked like he had something special going on. Those years are long past. He hasn't shown us anything in a year and a half to suggest that he's anywhere above about the 30th best QB in the NFL. That's probably the reality here.
Good post and that has been my point. No one will deny that the talent level has decreased but his issues as a QB is the biggest problem with the offense.
I did say the stink. The stain will remain no matter what. If Sanchez miraculously DID get us to the Super Bowl, they'll show the buttfumble countless times. And it'll be sad if that's the "highlight" of Sanchez's career...
If the game wasn't on primetime, the play would be forgotten except for Jets fans. I personally think the QB running out of the back of his own end zone Dan something is funnier. I also thought the Sanchez flinch, then penalty vs the Bills DB is more "embarrassing" than the fumble. No you didn't. I asked a question you never answered. I don't bash him, I just note Tom Brady won a SB leading his team to less than 15 ppg in those games while you bash Peyton for average 15 ppg in home playoff losses. Seems to be more than just scoring to win. I ended up not prorating if you read through, because I take the 29/2 average. The 29 for the 16 points from the OAK game and the 13 points from the STL game, then 2 represents 1 game against OAK and 1 game against STL. I did address the game was played in the blizzard, funny enough it was his highest point total. He led his team to 16 points in a blizzard and 13 points in perfect SB conditions. He led his team to 13 regulation points in both those games. Looks like the blizzard wasn't a factor, that offense just wasn't scoring a lot in the playoffs. I didn't prorate the Pitt game, I threw it out, so any speculation is not relevant. Again with Peyton Manning. You are passionate about him. A lot of websites like writeups and QB stuff always is a big sell internet wise. You should write it out and spread it around if you are so passionate. Throw in a few advanced stats, some talk of clutch and elite, boom comments section will explode
