Im not saying he is a good QB I just hate the bust label. He's clearly not a bust. He did have 32 TDs in 2011 with his best offensive coaching imo with Tom Moore helping out. He has potential he has just failed to reach it. He has shown flashes but until he learns to be consistent he won't be the kind of QB we need. I'm a bit of a Geno fan from WV so I do want to see him play but Sanchez will get an opportunity somewhere else. With good coaching in the right situation he will do well I believe. He would have been better in KC than Cassel the last couple seasons.
There are plenty of other QB's that shown flashes too but were replaced quickly. I remember Shaun King having a really solid season for Tampa Bay in 00 but they replaced him with Brad Johnson. I think based on where he's drafted and the production he's given to this point I'd say he's a bust. Sanchez can reinvent himself ala Jeff George or Alex Smith.
stop w/ the childish name calling, I realize that is all you have in these arguments but grow up. The fact is he has fallen off the map, does anyone even know what team he is on right now? He had 1 good season for a rookie, 1 top 10ish season, 1 mid of the pack season and 1 awful season where he had no help.
He had a solid season in 2000 but it ended in the WC round where he led his O to 3 pts(in a game they were favored in by the way) a year after their season ended w/ him leading his O to 6 pts in their playoff loss. mark helped his team win 4 road playoff games and they weren't favored in any of them and he didn't have a D nearly as good as Shaun King had PLUS the NFC was very weak in that era outside of the Rams.
No he had a bad rookie season, his 2nd season was average, year 3 he regressed and year 4 he was terrible. Take off your Sanchez painted goggles and stop being biased.
On one hand you blame the defense to pump up Sanchez when it suits your argument. But now you're saying King "led" his offense to whatever amount of points. Couldn't the argument be that the Bucs top defense should have "held" The Rams and Eagles offenses since they had an average QB? But that's not the point. If Folk misses that field goal against the Colts in the '10 playoffs then Sanchez would have been 2-2. You can't attach team success to a player and treat it like an individual stat. My point also is that King had a similar season to Sanchez 2010 season and the Bucs got rid of him afterwards. The difference is that Sanchez draft position dictated that he be kept around considering the money tied up to him after that 2010 playoff run. Not to say they would have got rid of him otherwise. But with the money involved they had no choice regardless.
He did not have a bad rookie season, made all rookie team, won an offensive rookie of the month award, helped team make playoffs and helped team win 2 road playoff games- how is this bad? His 2nd season was very good and he was a key in us getting back to the playoffs and having another chance at a SB. Year 3 his #s went up but his play declined a little bit as his weapons declined, year 4 he was terrible but had the worst weapons in the league.
Find me the playoff games where Mark led his O to 9 pts? That's 9 pts in TWO games for King, the lowest amount our O EVER scored in 6 playoff games was 17. The highest amount in King's playoff career was 14 pts. See any difference? The Bucs D held the Rams to 9 pts, the lowest amount our D held a playoff opponent to was 14 pts, the lowest amount in a los was 17 pts. See any difference? Folk didn't miss the kick, Sanchez and his O set up a CHIP SHOT FG for the win. mark Sanchez was a million times better than Shaun King, they cannot be compared. TD passes: Mark 9 Shaun 1 prorate Shaun to playing 6 games and it would have been 2 INTs Mark 3 Shaun 3 prorate: 6 O pts scored per game: Mark 20 PPG Shaun 8 PPG D pts allowed per game: Mark 19 PPG Shaun 12 PPG Road playoff wins: Mark 4 Shaun ZERO Other than this they are the exact same QB.
He was bad because he played like shit for the majority of the year. He put up 12 TD's and 20 INT's. ill give him credit for playing well in his first 2 games then after the Saints game it was downhill. You know what's funny. It's the fact that you overrate that 2010 season. Calling him "27 ranked but top 10 best" now imagine if Sanchez had played better than that then you'd probably say he was elite. This is funny. 2010 was by far his best season but please stop overrating it. He was still pretty shaky that year. He did have a few comeback wins. He was a stage that year.
He did not play bad for a majority of the season, he had a few bad games that skewed his #s to make him look worse than he was. He started 15 games 3 of them: 32-56, 393 yds, 1 TD, 12 INTs, 45.3 rating the other 12: 164-308, 2051 yds, 11 TDs, 8 INTs, 75.2 rating He was good as a rookie He had some bad moments in 2010 but he had some great moments too and all the comebacks enabled us to get back to the playoffs. He was a top 10ish QB, other QBs had better #s but they didn't help their teams win as much as Mark helped us.
lol @ basically a quarter of the season "skewing the numbers" He played god awful in the Saints,Bills,Jags,2nd Pats, and Falcons games
Maybe Mark wouldn't have as many road playoff wins if the Jets could have actually been able to host a game. They are both QB's that are average and were effective with what was around them. A good running game and stellar defense. Neither can/could lead a team or elevate players around them. Whether you agree or not Sanchez IS in the same boat with the likes of King.
Everyone has a cellphone. Athletes don't make the videos, Spectators do. I just would like something positive to leak out about the 8 million dollar man from a credible source not coaching staff who are under orders to bullshit the media.
I think that's asking a lot. People are way more likely to pull out a cam for the negative because that's what sells. Nobody cares about him having his head in a playbook. Not to mention the whole Jets West thing is a positive. The guy is garbage enough on the field without getting wrapped up in these stupid moments off the field. As people have posted ad nauseum, all this stuff would be looked at as meaningless if he were getting it done on the field. If he comes out this year and lights it up this incident will be a footnote and looked back on as your QB having "mad swag" and Broadway Joe come again.
Sanchez first two seasons were indicative of a player who might well turn into a very good QB if he continued to progress. They were also very sketchy from an actual results point of view. Exiting the 2010 season Sanchez had thrown 29 TD's in the regular season and had 33 passes intercepted. His completion percentage was around 55% for his career. His yards per attempt was low also. The fact that you don't take into account in all of the voluminous defenses of Sanchez is that all that potential really needed some actual growth in order for Sanchez to fulfill it and become a good QB. Instead, beginning about mid-season in 2011 Sanchez began to regress heavily. By the end of 2012 he looked worse than the rookie QB who had such sketchy results at the beginning. Whatever you thought about Mark Sanchez you need to change your views now. He's not the same wet-behind-the-ears rookie making typical rookie mistakes when the adults give him too much opportunity. He's not the careful game manager who showed up at the start of 2010 and carefully kept the offense on the tracks if only moving at three-quarters speed most of the time. Now Mark Sanchez is a QB with 4 years behind him and the last year plus have said that he is not capable of playing at the level he needs to play at to help the Jets win. He lost or nearly lost several games last season that the Jets probably could have won with Bubby Brister playing QB for them. One of those games actually did get won with Greg McElroy in and leading the Jets to the single score that they needed to defeat a self-destructing Cardinals team that had been trying to lose the game all day but was getting bailed out over and over again by Sanchez who was trying to lose it harder than they were. I loved Mark Sanchez even with the warts his first couple of seasons. I thought he was ready to make another breakthrough midway through the 2011 season. Instead he fell through a hole in the floor and wound up in the basement. The wood floor he was standing on was rotten, but smart capable people find ways to avoid falling through and Sanchez didn't do that instead he wound up in a heap in the basement. He still hasn't gotten up from that fall and the odds at this point are very strong that he won't manage to get up from it. He doesn't have a higher level of established play to recapture somehow in his recovery efforts. If he's going to get up he's going to also have to establish a completely new level of play that is much better than anything he's done in the past. The odds on that after 4 seasons in the NFL are very low. Usually by now you get what you've seen out of a player and not much more. If Sanchez completes 57% of his passes this year for 20 TD's and 16 Int's and a 78 rating he is toast at the end of the year. In the process of toasting him the Jets will have learned nothing of value about their team. That's the price of staying with a guy who's just a guy after you already know he's just a guy.
you would think watching the dolphin you'd know what god awful looks like but apparently not. led O to 24 pts including 77 yd drive to take the lead late in the game- that's god awful? he had moments vs. Atl, he threw 3 INTs but it was awful conditions for offense(which was why Matt Ryan sucked too). He had 3 brutal games, at NO, vs. Buf at NE. Those 3 games accounted for 60% of his INTs Tell NE to get out of the division and maybe we could host a playoff game? TB didn't have NE in their div in 1999 when they hosted a playoff game. Of course you are b/c you have nothing, you stated something that was incorrect and I proved it and now you will run off in a huff. 20 of those INTs came in his rookie year, he went from 20 down to 13 and had 2 bogus INts credited to him so he really only had 11 in 2010. mid season 2011 Sanchez was pretty good, he was awful late as the team collapsed. how come we couldn't win w/ a future HOFer the year before we got Sanchez? To act like we had some great D is silly and untrue. McElroy led one drive, how did we do against a bad SD team w/ Greg starting? I don't worry about #s, if he's helping us win, making plays to win he'll be back. If not he'll be gone. In 2011 his #s were up across the board and were pretty damn good until the last 3 weeks but he wasn't anywhere near as good as his 2010 season which saw much worse #s.
It's actually a fact, sorry it bothers you. He had a few really bad games where most of his bad #s came from. 60% of his INTs came in 20% of his starts. I get it you don't have anything to come back at me w/ other than whiny deflection.
