Well if you are going to take Jawaorski's comments as gospel then surely you would recall that he had Kellen Clemmons as the best QB in his draft class.
I know it's bleacher report, but part of it focuses on Sanchez and I think it hits on the key points both sides make about Sanchez http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1693761-where-can-the-new-york-jets-improve-most-in-2013 I don't think the author focuses on 2011 enough, that was a key year for Sanchez, but I'll pull out a few things I found interesting. Overall I found some inaccuracies in the article on the Jets, but the author seemed to grasp the major concerns and issues
Sammy Baugh was a complete player. Sanchez has trouble completing a pass. Sammy Baugh was a good punter. Sanchez throws good punts. Sammy Baugh made the forward pass an integral part of offensive play. Sanchez made his helmet an integral part of Brandon Moore's ass. Comparing Sanchez to anyone? What's the point? We're stuck with him. Hopefully they'll be some more "big plays in Big spots in big games".
Pennington sucked under Schotty? He completed 68.8% of his passes in his last year with the Jets. 3 of his 9 picks were against the Super Bowl champs. He had a rough game against the Titans, who had a very good pass defense that year. Buffalo wasn't bad that year. Why then did he throw that many interceptions? Because he was playing hurt. Jets o-line gave up a ton of sacks that year.
The Jets We trade players like Revis and give guys like Sanchez extensions Tanny screwed us the fuck up
Yikes. What a depressing analysis. I had us at 8-8 this upcoming season. After reading that, we'll be fortunate to eke out 3 wins and a tie.
Those are great statistics but they assume that the quaterback is 100% of the offence. You say that Sanchez has the worst winning percentage in games where the Jets allowed 10 or less points. But wouldn't that always be the case if you have a BAD OFFENSE that can't score? If your offensive lines is bad then it doesn't matter who your quaterback is they will lose games when their opponent scored less than 10 points. Also, I'm sure you remember games where Sanchez led us to a really great last minute comeback. And we went to many championship games with Sanchez. We even beat the Pats IN NEW ENGLAND when they were great. If the Jets just got a few lucky breaks they would have won a superbowl with Sanchez and suddenly no one would be talking about how bad he is. Sanchez is an average NFL quaterback like Alex Smith. If we can find a better QB then great. But we have bigger problems than quaterback. We need to make that offensive line great again.
With a Great D. A Great Punter( Lol Punter ). And a semi successful Run game Sanchez has to only play one quarter a game he has proved he can lets see if we can re kindle our old style. Its proven semi successful. So until Geno is ready we have kind have been building in that direction. Sadly I think Sanchez will play pretty solid this year. Par year no more but thats the thing this team shouldn't need more
Oh yeah it's more than Sanchez, but generally the low scoring one is accurate considering Sanchez. That's when either Schotty called a bad gameplan or Sanchez goes on his inaccurate streaks. The giving up more than 21 is more dependent on the offense as a whole. Overall though, Sanchez has been on a down turn for 1.5 years and we can't provide him with the talent that helped him in 2010 and 2009 this upcoming year. He's going to have play probably better than he has in his whole career with less talent.
Yes when he asked to come forth for the gene how to make smart snap decisions under on pressure he replied I already know how so I pass :smile:
I hate #s w/o context. 4 losses allowing 0-10 pts: 2009: vs. Atl 10-7 L: freezing, windy day. bad for both offenses. We held 7-3 lead late, Atl takes over w/ 4 1/2 to play at their 27 and goes on long TD drive. Did mark have a bad game? absolutely but it wasa touigh day for QBs and as usual w/ the game on the line our D was nowhere to be found late in the game. 2010: vs. Baltimore 10-9 L: O held the ball for about 20 minutes, our great D allowed Bal to convert a million 3rd downs and most of them 3rd and long: 3rd and 9 3rd and 13 3rd and 28 These first 3 were from one drive, we got a fumble to end it but Bal held the ball for 9 minutes. That makes it tough for an O to score, right? especially against a REAL top D. continuing on: 3rd and 9 3rd and 9 3rd and 10 3rd and 5 3rd and 7 3rd and 10 3rd and 10 a ridiculous amount of 3rd and longs vs. GB 9-0L: another weather dictated game w/ high winds slowing both offenses. We lost TWO turnovers(called iNTs) on bogus calls, on both our players were tackled then on the ground the ball ripped out and they were called INTs. vs. Mia 10-6L: offense just sucked, team was still in fog from the humiliation at NE the week before. It sure would have helped if Holmes catches that wide open pass in the EZ. I love the more than 21 as if 21 doesn't count,. we allowed 21 in the PLAYOFFs at NE and won. Not to mention we won a ton of games when allowing 20 pts. Let's look at the games we allowed more than 21: 2009: 24-10 loss at NO. All on Mark. 31-27 loss at Mia. O scores 27 including late TD to take 3 pt lead, D allows long drive for GW Td in final seconds- all on D. 30-25 loss vs. Miami. It was a miracle we were even in the game, we allowed 2 STs TDs and Greene fumbled for a TD. Loss is on STs 24-22 loss vs. Jax: take lead on TD drive w/ 5 mins left. D allows Jax to kick FG and use all the time. all on D 31-14 loss at NE: O and D were the blame. 30-17 loss at Indy title game: D handed double digit lead, allows 30. on D. 2010: 31-23 win at Miami. D tried to blow it but luckily held on in EZ on final play. 30-27 win vs. Hou. D blows 23-7 4th qtr lead, Sanchez leads miracle comeback for win 45-3 loss at NE: team loss 38-34 loss at Chi: all on D 24-19 loss at Pitt title game: mostly on D 2011: 27-24 win vs. dallas: I credit D/Sts for comeback. 34-24 loss at Oak: D/STs blew this game 34-17 loss at Bal: all on Mark 30-21 loss at NE: all on D 37-16 loss vs. NE: mostly on D 28-24 win at Buf: mark wasn't great but D stunk and he ld last minute win which D almost blew. This was an aberration game for Revis who got torched. 45-19 loss at Philly: mostly on D 29-14 loss vs. NYG: mostly on D I throw out 2012, the team was horrible as was the QB It's nice to throw out #s but they are useless w/o context.
Jets defense was good, but I always had an issue with their play on 3rd down. Always gave up big plays...
Pennington, in 26 games over two seasons, managed a +1 td/int ratio. Amd his high point was 17 tds in a full season. For a high percentage passer. Sanchez put up 26. While completing 10pct lower, and tossed....wait....2 more interceptions than Pennington did. 9 more Tds, 2 more pocks Penny underperformed Sanchez, While completing 65% or more of his passes. Thats kind of the point. As Junc, and I have pointed out, you cant judge on 2012. Bur comparing a guy that was a really good QB, under the same coach, its easy to see where the issue lies.
I listed the injuries, and the fact that the Jets had no OC...why dont you explain, how its rational to judge a qb in that circumstance?
2012 was awful, there is no beating that but if you want me to look at it I will: 2012: 48-24 win vs. Buf, game was blowout from 2nd qtr on. 27-10 loss at Pitt, more blame on Mark but the D was pretty bad too. 34-0 loss to SF- team loss 23-17 loss to Hou- JJ Watt 29-26 loss at NE- D blew late lead AGAIN 30-9 loss vs. Miami- team loss 28-7 loss at Sea- mostly on Mark 49-19 loss vs. NE- team loss 28-9 loss at Buf- tea had given up, team loss. as we can see there are very few games where we can blame the QB in those losses allowing more than 21 pts. It backs up the point that #s w/o context are meaningless.
You cant make the assumptions in that article, without comparing scheme. Like, you know, where the offense finished under the same coach two years prior , with a better QB....
