This is an interesting questions. If the team itself is bad, so defense/run game/ST but we go 8-8 because Sanchez is carrying the team and doing a lot, easily Sanchez. That means Sanchez grew big time as a QB. If the team itself is good, so defense/run game/ST but we go 8-8 while trying to limit Sanchez and not really trusting him, then Geno next year. The worst case is if we get a middling season from Sanchez, he doesn't stand out as a good or bad QB, and we are stuck not knowing what Sanchez has or Geno has. Sanchez standing out good or bad is better than not knowing.
Hunter was also one of the reasons why we lost that AFCCG, if you remember him tipping the play at the LOS on a goal-line play.
thats what I'm worried about too. But honestly if Sanchez starts and the jets are booted from playoff contention (which I'm gonna guess they would in that scenario at least a few weeks before the fact) then Smith should get the start IMMEDIATELY. Its pro bowl or bust for Sanchize, if he's mediocre we might as well commit the other guy. He's cheaper, we can get more support for him next year and most importantly he's not too far removed from #6 at all in terms of quality, dare i say he has a higher ceiling. With the money he's making it makes no sense to continue with him if he's mediocre, Sanchez needs another playoff run or he's done.
we had 4 cracks, it's hard to blame 1 person. He played very well overall in that game. It's interesting that you are the only person to comment on Holmgren's comments on sanchez. I wonder why it is being ignored? I promise if it was a negative story where he said Sanchez sucks it would have been all over the board. We have a sad fan base.
One of the biggest downs in Jets history yet, he tips the play. Teams don't do this in the biggest of stages. He played well I agree, but that's a fundamental error you cannot make. We lost that game for various reasons not just Wayne.
Holmgren said Sanchez wasn't as bad as he looked last year, which I agree with. I think most people agree with that. The one time he looked great, 2010, I still say he wasn't as great as he looked that year. Overall, he's a mediocre QB that struggles to be consistent and has problems protecting the football. If he gets on a hot streak, he's a valuable QB, but he can't hang onto that hot streak for long amounts of time.
He said nicer things than he's not as bad as he looked last year. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...es-mark-sanchez-will-have-fine-year-for-jets/ I agree thought that he needs to get back to 2010 or 2011 and become more consistent.
I think he is going to have a "Fine" year isn't a lot to comment on. He is an excellent coach but I've always thought Holmgren has been overrated as a QB evaluator. He's had Favre and Hasseback for the majority of his coaching career. Was there success because of Holmgren or did they make Holmgren look good? Most of the other QBs he has been involved with selecting and developing leave much to be desired. Guys like: Ty Detmer Jay Barker Kyle Wacholtz Brock Huard Josh Booty Jeff Kelly Seneca Wallace David Green Colt McCoy Brandon Weedon
Before he became a HC he worked in SF helping to develop one time bust Steve Young into a HOFer. I don't put everything into these comments but it shows the mindset of coaches vs. fans, fans want to throw away a player after a bad year, a coach realizes circumstances and will want to work w/ that player to get them back to where they should be. Does it mean it will happen? No but Sanchez has the talent to be a good QB in this league again.
he needs to be north of 60% with less than 1int per game. anything less makes him an easy cut next year at 8 mil and geno on the sidelines
I give a little more credit for Young's development to Bill Walsh and being able to sit behind Joe Montana for 3 years. It isn't just one bad year. Sanchez has helped us win some games but he has been average to below average most of the time. He was not the reason for our success and was only a small part of it. He has been a much bigger part of our failures than he has our success. I think it is easier to say you would like to work with a certain player when you are no longer a head coach. With the pressure coaches face to win now I don't think many head coaches in this league would choose to work with Sanchez right now. I believe Sanchez has the talent to be a good QB in this league but I don't believe he has the mentality. Hopefully MM proves me wrong and we see a completely different QB.
He was w/ Walsh for 2 years, never got a chance to become full time starter until Walsh was gone for 2 years, Montana hated him and he hated Montana. I'm sure there were many factors involved in reviving his career but Holmgren was a part of that. He's buddies w/ Marty, why would he say things like that and put more pressure on his buddy if he didn't believe it? we'll see soon enough, I hope Marty can turn him around. If not I hope Geno will be ready sooner than later.
exactly, play elite or GTFO. We can pay some better WR's for geno with the money we get from cutting him (and Holmes) he has to give case for why he should stay right now. just getting by isn't good enough, not for the money he's owed.
You don't have to be best friends to watch and learn from one of the greatest QBs who played the game. I'm not saying Holmgren didn't play a role but based on his selections and development of the other QBs he had throughout his career I don't think the role was as big as some make it out to be. I'm sure Holmgren believes Sanchez will have a "Fine" year. I just wonder how many times he thought that about some of his QBs like Ty Detmer Seneca Wallace Colt McCoy Brandon Weedon and so on?
He played a role in developing Steve Young, Brett favre, matt hasselbeck and Mark Brunell. That's pretty damn good. 2 HOFers and 2 other upper echelon QBs in their eras.
I think his comments about Sanchez were kind of heartening, given that he has seen and helped develop some of the best passers in the history of the game, no matter how some unqualified posters try to pick apart his later career. But if you take the answers and try to imagine the context, which isn't provided, he is a) stating that he liked Mark's mechanics during his 2008 college season, something that was valid before a lot of painful contact that seems to have had very detrimental effects on his throwing motion, footwork and decision making, and b) giving a nod of confidence to a prior employee, Marty Morninweg. It's hard to just take that small sampling of quotes as expert analysis instead of candid comments, but I would trust Holmgren making a candid comment 1000 times more than I'd trust anything that Ron JaworskESPN ever said.
we went over this a month or two ago. this was not what we agreed upon. i am not going to look it up but it was not that.
You can disagree with my opinion without calling me an unqualified poster. :sad: I just think he is overrated as a developer of QBs. He's had Favre through his entire tenure at GB. Why is Holmgren the only guy to get credit for developing Favre when he had assistants like Andy Reid Steve Mariucci Dick Jauron Ray Rhodes and Jon Gruden? It was all Holmgren? Jon Kitna and Hasselbeck weren't exactly lighting it up the first 4 years he was with Seattle. He got fired as the GM at the end of 2002 season and they made the playoffs the next two years after that and the Super Bowl 3 years after he was removed as GM. I think he is overrated as a talent evaluator. Ty Detmer Jay Barker Kyle Wacholtz Brock Huard Josh Booty Jeff Kelly Seneca Wallace David Green Colt McCoy Brandon Weedon That is not the list of great QBs I would expect to see from a guy who is known for developing QBs. You can add Young to the list if you want but I think Bill Walsh and sitting behind Joe Montanna had a little something to do with it. Junc if you don't give any credit to Walsh for the development of Young since he was only there 2 years with him, how do you give credit to Holmgren for the development of Brunell when he was only with Holmgren for 1 season in GB? GB also had Steve Mariucci Jon Gruden and Andy Reid as assistants that year.
...and now he's looking for a job on the media side. I think Sanchez is due to improve this season, but only because the system is going to improve. Plus he can't get much worse.
If he has a decent season by NFL standards then we can enter 2014 with him on the roster and he would have to compete for his job again. For the sake of argument lets say Geno is ready to start then we can trade Sanchez and go with Geno in 2015.
