Imagine that...the two biggest Sanchez supporters have the most posts on this thread. Where did you find this...?
I think Sanchez played pretty good overall in that game, but just because he wasn't highlighed in the things that went wrong doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. Forget about the pick when we were in FG range. Forget about the multiple 3 and outs. We had the ball with the game tied on the NE 18 with 2:01 left. We can't go 3 and out there. We had the ball in OT with a chance to win. We can't fumble it away like that. I can't speak for everyone but I am not sick of Sanchez just from 2012. I look at what he has actually done through his 4 years. I get that we had a bunch of injuries last year but you can't blame a lot of his mistakes on injuries. He made horrible decisions horrible passes and forgot the play he had just called when he buttfumbled. You can blame it all on injuries but his 2012 numbers were not that much different than his career average. The only reason I am against him getting another shot is because I believe I already know the outcome. I would rather see what we have in Geno than waste another year and start over again in 2014. Whether I like it or not, Sanchez will most likely get another shot this year but when he is the same guy we've seen for 4 years there will be a new excuse from the Sanchez fanboys. MM is not that great an OC. It was all Andy Reid. We didn't have enough talent. I've seen enough. We will see who is right and who is wrong this year. I desperately hope I am wrong. Nice job! :up: How did you come up with all of that? So 16% of all the post in this thread are from Junc and Hobbes. Who would have guessed that. :lol:
Actually, judged against his peers and by every standard of measure everyone in the NFL uses to evaluate quarterbacks ... none of his seasons were good. TWO were atrocious, and the other two could be called barely adequate just plain bad. Even if you think his numbers to date don't tell an accurate story, exactly when does the "excuses well" finally run dry? What about 70+ career starts with a losing record, more INT's than TD's, a sub 55% career completion %, and more turnovers in his tenure than any other player in the league? Will that do the trick? Because those are all on the table for him going into the 2013 season and it won't take anything more than a few bad games to get him there. Does that sound like a statement you could make about a guy who only had ONE bad year?? But anyway, For the Record ... When he shits the bed again and our season is over before Halloween, will that finally be enough for you?
junc, Hicks bad year underscores how dinged up he was. No one's disputing that the Jets WRs sucked much of last year, only that the Giants (while better than the Jets) weren't operating on all cylinders either. Whatever, even in a non-playoff year Eli still had a 60% completion percentage, an +11 td/int ratio and he lost only 1 fumble. Funny thing about Marc: his completion percentage this past year with an a lousy receiving corp was 54.3%. And yet in 2010 his 'outstanding' year, with a good rushing attack and a better offensive line his completion percentage was only 54.8%. Are those below average numbers accomplished inside of two different scenarios an indicator as to what this guy essentially is, that is, a middling at best QB with accuracy and/or decision-making issues? I agree. I was doing a smark aleck 'pet trick' with the numbers - I would be insane to seriously be putting Marc in the same category as a Rogers or a Brees let alone Farve, Manning or Kelly. (I thought the Chippendale reference hinted at my facetiousness). :beer:
2009: good year for a rookie 2010: top 10ish type season 2011: middle of the pack 2012: bottom of the pack I want to win, I want the guys that give us the best chance to win to play, if that's not mark I'm ok w/ it but I believe he can be a good QB again and help us win again. I wouldn't give up on a young player so quickly.
Has nothing to do with what I said. I was responding to the idiotic comment that Sanchez is better than Ryan in the playoffs when Sanchez hasn't even smelled the playoffs in two years.
Nicks still started 11 games and played 13. Even if he didn't play a game he had MUCH more talent than Mark had. It's not about comp %, it's about making plays. he did in 210, he didn't in 2012 but he didn't have any playmakers in 2012.
To get the post stats, just click on the replies button, instead of the actual thread title. Yep. Agreed 100%. Though 2011, I thought Mark was getting better while the team around him was getting worse, then the team brought him down with them the final 3 weeks.
I'd take my chances with a "fantasy QB" over a bottom 5 QB. Sanchez has regressed and has proven he's not a starting QB anymore. Rivers was top 15 with a drop off in talent that's my point.
I will root for whoever gives the Jets the best chance to win. If that's Geno then I'm totally in his corner. Right now I have reasonable doubt that the Jets problems start and stop with Sanchez. I'm not convinced that starting Smith now changes much about the Jets offense. If he proves me wrong, I'll be thrilled. I'm just afraid Smith gets the go and pulls a McElroy. I'd rather the talent be in place for Geno to have the proper support before throwing him into the fire. I believe that the Jets receivers suck regardless of who the QB is. Hope they prove me wrong and give us an exciting season.
6 weeks of which he was advised by doctors not to play. Completion percentage has nothing to do with it? That is a pretty subjective opinion if you ask me. Whatever, it's curious that his numbers were ho-hum during his banner year. Equally curious was the fact that 2010 was the only year Mark didn't have double-digit fumbles, and even then he had 9 in 2010. I'm out for now, ravioli's waiting for me.. : )
If Sanchez wins the QB competition, then we know the jets do not have adequate QB representation at the starter position. If Geno wins, we still may not, but we cannot say that we know we don't.
Gee. What a surprise. I certainly expected myself on the list. I gotta do a better job of being a Sanchez fanboy, it looks like.
Parcells said a lot of things that go against sanchez too. I can guarantee you he would have pulled the plug on sanchez and his retarded decision making already. At the very least there would have been a solid veteran on the team to start 2012. Oh and Parcells never said you are what your record only in the playoffs says you are.
What's a "McElroy"? I can't remember anybody saying that Sanchez is the only weak spot on the Jets...but if he doesn't figure out how to play a bit better and drastically decrease his turnovers, this team ain't going anywhere. Morningwheg is going to have the biggest impact on the offense. If he can tailor it to the "talent" we do have, it won't take much to improve on the last 20 games.
Sorry Joe! I knew I had read some of your other posts that made too much sense for you to be talking like that. I've been dealing with the guy who only puts 50% of the blame on Sanchez for the Titans loss most of the day and missed the sarcasm in your post. My bad! I believe I know what we have in Sanchez and the result we will have if he starts. Hopefully I am wrong. Geno on the other hand is an unknown. Maybe starting Geno doesn't change much about the O, but I'd rather see what Geno can do than watch Mark be Mark again. We may not have the talent in place to win with him right now but I believe that you can get a good idea of what you have in a QB regardless of the talent around him. You can see how he reads a defense. What kind of poise he has in the pocket. What kind of leader he is. I hate to bring up a division rival but the Dolphins put Tannehill out there and he was throwing passes to Brian Harline Legadu Nanee Anthony Armstrong and the like. He didn't play that well but he did show signs of improvement and got valuable starting experience. Now they have surrounded him with better weapons and are one step closer to finding out what they have. Had they started Moore they likely would have had a similar season and still not had any idea what they had in their future QB. They would be a year behind. With free agency the way it is we can't afford to be a year behind with Geno.
Good thing they don't drug test posters..11 wins and a bye? With this Roster? That happens only if the rest of the AFCE all go down in a plane crash. I'm not wishing that on them, but I had to point out the remoteness of that prediction.
ryan has top 5 weapons now. I stated his rookie year. Michael Vick 387 214 2,412 55.3 6.2 15 3.9 13 3.4 58 33 201 73.1 Matt Ryan 434 265 3,440 61.1 7.9 16 3.7 11 2.5 70 17 104 87.7 this is vicks last year with the falcons v ryans first year with the falcons. and vick had warrick dunn to dump off to. both teams had roddy white and Michael Jenkins as their wr's.. ryan put up better #'s with the same receiving corp. 1 example of the qb making the wr's better. 2006 Michael Jenkins 39 436 11.2 34 7 Roddy White 30 506 16.9 55 0 2008 Roddy White 88 1,382 15.7 70 7 Michael Jenkins 50 777 15.5 62 3 ryan turned white into a legit wr. now I am not saying sanchez should have been setting scoring records the last 2 years. but you expect a good qb to elevate the games of the wr's and not regress with the talent around him and not turn the ball over 52 times in 2 years. in 2009 and 2010 we thought mark might be a good qb. 2011 and 2012 taught us that he was just a qb on a good team. he is a qb you can win with not 1 that will win you games. in this league you need the latter
