You are right that it didn't guarantee a win. Can't argue that. However it would've given the Jets a chance in SUCH a crucial game. There was still 2 minutes and 11 seconds left on the clock when that drop occurred. The Jets would've had the ball on about the 10 yard line with all that time left. Talk about being able to take your time and get it right... Watch this video and think about where Sanchez, Hill, and the rest of the team all fit into this: [YOUTUBE]PO31aXDfEt0[/YOUTUBE]
I agree that Hill should have caught that ball. But the bigger issue is that under Sanchez the Jets have such a small margin of error. If we had a better QB then that play would have been meaningless because you know the QB can make a throw and get us a 1st down regardless of that Hill drop. With Sanchez everybody else around him has to be near perfect to make up for his shit play. The oline has to be perfect, the RB's have to be perfect, so does the receivers. That is a bigger issue than just a Hill drop.
2012 was a disaster for the entire team, not just Mark. Calling Week 17 a normal game for him, is just not true. Even the Titans game was not a normal Sanchez game. It was the lowest of the low. He (and the team) are inconsistent, I agree, so there might not be a normal Mark Sanchez game. Week to week it has been unpredictable. No doubt you want consistent play from your offense, but that has not been Jets football for awhile.
Your part about everyone needing to be perfect with Sanchez is wrong. The Edwards / Holmes / Kerley / B. Smith / Keller / Tomlinson / T-Rich was NOT a perfect group - however, it was effective. As a TEAM they made things happen (with Sanchez throwing the ball mind you). As a first and second year player, that group with Sanchez under center allowed the Jets to make back to back AFC championship games. That group is not elite by any stretch of the imagination. Edwards and Tomlinson were easily the two best players in that group. Edwards is not your 90+ catch #1 even though he is dynamic as a deep threat and blocks really well, and Tomlinson was a shadow of his future hall of fame self... still incredibly intelligent and effective, but not the LT of San Diego fame. I personally don't think it was asking a whole lot to either keep THAT talent level either equal or better. That group was no better than above average. Instead, it has fallen into decrepit disrepair. The replacements in that core have been complete and utter shit. That hasn't changed this year.
Everybody can agree that the front office did Sanchez a disservice by not maintaining a certain level of talent around Sanchez. With that said Sanchez has regressed since the days of the flight boys. You said that Hill not catching that pass changed everything. But if Sanchez was better that drop doesn't mean shit in the larger scale of things. Sanchez is so bad that everybody else has to be near perfect to make up the difference. If that wasn't the case no one would be complaining about Wayne Hunter or Stephen Hill dropping passes.
no one was near perfect, if they were near competent we would have won a few more games and been in the hunt.
On the one hand you're accusing us of putting too much emphasis on the rest of the team, and on the other you're putting too much emphasis on Sanchez's contribution to the debacle. Newsflash, Sanchez has declined in conjunction with the entire team. He's not alone nor unique in this.
Do tell what and when those times are... The reality is you are sick of watching the offensive side of the ball not producing. Me and most Jet fans are right there with you buddy, we truly are. The difference is that you think it rests solely on the shoulders of #6, that’s your right as a fan. I see things a tad differently. The QB position (whoever he may be) needs a few things to be successful. *Need the ability to read overages pre-snap (I think Mark can improve in this area, we have no clue what Geno brings but keep in mind he was in a very unsophisticated system in college) *Needs to have protection in the pocket and good scheme (Mark has not had either of these two in the past two years based on depletion of line talent and the inept nature of pass happy Schotty and fist pumper) *Needs to have a complimentary running game or short screen passes (again Mark has not had this due to scheme and lack of talent in the RB department, did you ever see Shonne Green catch a pass?) *Needs receivers that can beat press coverage, know the hot routs, and can CATCH THE BALL (Again, Mark has not had this over the past 2 years outside of JK---Clyde Gates and Chaz Schillens...come on) So yes you and I are frustrated in the play of our QB position. You say a good QB doesn’t NEED weapons to succeed and I say Bull Shit. This does not in any way excuse the bad decisions Mark has made with the football, he needs to get better or ride the pine and let Geno take his lumps. But if you think Geno is going to come in and be the savior, you are sorely mistaken, it all starts with weapons…
So after year 4 of Mark Sanchez career he has a 55.1 completion percentage. That's 0.8 points above his "bad" year last year. He has thrown 68 TD's and 69 Int's. That's after his -5 in the ratio in his "bad" year last year. He has averaged 6.48 yards per pass attempt, .12 yards better than his "bad" year last year. His average yards per pass have gone like this: 6.71 in 2009, 6.49 in 2010 (his "good" year), 6.4 yards in 2011 and 6.36 yards in 2012. That's a consistent decline in what is arguably the most important stat for a passer, the yards he produces each time he attempts a pass. This isn't hard to diagnose. Sanchez was never a good QB to start with and he's gotten worse year over year as more responsibility for driving the offense has been put on his shoulders. Obviously the Jets haven't done a particularly good job of surrounding him with talent but Sanchez doesn't have enough talent to make that the key factor here. The Jets could have put great talent around him and they'd have likely gotten average performance out of him instead of the poor performance he's produced with dreck in the mix. Either you have what it takes or you don't. The numbers that Sanchez has consistently produced at this point suggest that he doesn't have what it takes.
Or the kid does have what it takes and has had the unfortunate luck of being cast to the NY Jets who are good for ruining careers and wasting talent. It's going to be unfortunate when he goes to a new team in a media area with no pressure and thrives. I'm almost sure of it. Anyway, the anti-Sanchez crowd has nothing to worry about. The fix is in. Woody Johnson loves Rex Ryan but Izdick does not and wants him and Sanchez gone. If you look at the moves the Jets made this offseason, they gave very little effort towards improving the offense, instead focusing on the rest of the team. He knows that it doesn't matter if Rex fields the best defense the NFL has ever seen in its entire glorious history, one more year of the same old that the fans have been watching the last two years and you'll have a stadium full of people hopping the barricades and rioting like its LA. Izdick knows exactly what he's doing. The next coach will inherit a championship caliber defense coached by Rex Ryan and a new unspoiled QB that has had a year to sit and learn the NFL ropes. The true offensive rebuild begins next offseason and with that the new Jets team.
after year 4: Phil Simms: -4 TD to INT ratio, I guess he didn't have it. Good thing the Giants moved on. Eli Manning: 20 INT year in year 4, I guess he didn't have it. Joe Namath: -9 TD to INT ration after 4 years, I guess he didn't have it. Alex Smith: -6, I guess he didn't have it. Troy Aikman: -6, I guess he didn't have it.
It is speculation. I'm looking at what the Jets did in the draft and free agency. It seems pretty clear to me that there's close to no concern about the receiving corps based on those moves. That can only end one way: badly. My imagination runs wild from there.
Keep in mind we had very little cap space (thanks to Tannenbaum). Most of the FA WR's are commanding too much money for us to take them. We'll take one or two before preseason. Once we do that, we should be good to go.
My point is that he's supposed to be the franchise QB. That means he's supposed to raise the level of the players around him, not decline in conjuncture with the team. If Sanchez was a 4, 5, 6 round pick then the reaction from the fanbase would be different. What many of you Sanchez supporters fail to realize is that the Sanchez detractors realize the circumstances of the team around Sanchez. But it isn't used as an excuse for his bad play. If the team stunk around him but his play improved and was a top 15 QB. At least there would be optimism around the fanbase that when the talent improves at least we already have a QB in place.
I hope so, if this offense is competitive. And doesn't turn the ball over we could make a run. I have a lot of faith in our defense and MM
Sorry for my ignorance, but I can't think of a single example in the entire history of the NFL that matches what you're describing? Maybe my understanding of football is flawed - but I understand this to be a team sport. I don't know how ANYONE thrives when the players around them suck. I'd be so curious as to where we'd be at today if the Jets traded Mark Sanchez for Matt Ryan after the 2010 season. Somehow I think we'd be running Ryan out of town and Sanchez would be lighting it up.
one example off the top of my head is matt ryan. he took the same wr corps everyone claimed was bad with vick and had a pretty good rookie year. enough to tell he was going to be a good qb. now, i am not exonerating tony sporano or tanny for the talent and scheme last year. everyone deserves some blame for it. i am saying i look at marks last 4 years and i dont see a good qb. i hope i am wrong though
who claimed that? Ryan has top 5 weapons in this league and STILL can't play as well as Sanchez in postseason.
