i dont think we trade up to the 5th pick overall to take a guy who "can win with the right cast around him" the expectations that come with that pick have not been met and so the frustration has grown. 5th picks overall are expected to become elite and raise the level of play around him.mark has not been that guy.
No one in this thread has said he has lived up to being drafted #5 overall. No one in this thread has said he is worth what his current contract is. As junc said, some people are not ready to give up on him yet, while others are.
no we traded up because we had a need to fill, this is why BPA is always the way to go. We reached for Sanchez as he only really had one year at USC but had potential (as all draft pick do bro, nothing is sure). That siad, Mark most likley will not lead a team all by himself (notice I said TEAM) to 8+ wins. If you are expecting a QB that can lead a NFL team to over 8 wins with a cast less than the bad news bears you may want to pray for the Jets to land a proven QB like Rodgers in FA. Until then, the team needs to start drafting and developing talent on the Offensieve side of the ball. I dont know how many times in this thread I need to enighten some that the Jets talent on the offeseive side of the ball is Bottem 3 in the NFL. Until the focus starts to shift back to that side of the ball, expect the same or similar resukts from the QB position (insert whoever you want here not named Breese, Rodgers, Manning, Brady). End of Mark Sanchez sucks thread *Maybe title should be cahnged to NYJ fail to provide QB with weapons and Jets QB's suck*
As stated numerous times, the Jets cannot develop QBs. This thread should be called, "why can't the Jets develop QBs properly?"
It is isn't it? He has some commitment from the FO to help solidify the line and WR position via the draft and FA. He has also outperformed Sanchez, no fan can argue that. I wonder how he would have faired with the depletion of talent like Sanchez? Maybe we will we this year as Rice has less tread than last year and Bolden is gone...
They still have Torrey Smith, Dennis Pitta and Ed Dickson though - young talented offensive weapons that have made plays previously. And Ray Rice is still that dude. It's very disheartening IMO
What are you talking about? Chaz Schilens totally destroys Boldin! Well, in nothing, except for being a Jets receiver, therefore Sanchez suxorz!
Anyone who doesn't place 95 percent of the blame on Sanchez in that Tennessee loss is an idiot. When you throw four interceptions in a game, you usually lose by around 20 points or so. We lost by 4 points. The defense did its job... Sanchez is to blame for us losing that game and our playoff chances
Was he also to blame for Stephen Hill dropping a wide open pass against NE? At that point in the season, you could reasonably argue that if Hill makes that EASY catch, momentum may not have swung so far south and maybe they would've had a better run. They were literally a football in the chest away from winning against the most important division rival. One game doesn't make a season, nor does one player. You may be right that Sanchez single handedly blew that game, but that's not the bigger picture. Sanchez has also had some magnificent games for which its assumed he wasn't actually partly responsible for winning. You can't harp on one game and project it to the rest of his career.
The last 2 SB champ QBs aren't coming close to a SB w/o incredible talent around them. Put them on our team last year and we see similar results. Has anyone noticed they keep adding more talent every year? the Bal backups would be better than what we had starting last year.
The problem is, you want to give him a cookie for playing one game the way the #5 pick in the draft, and a 4 year starter is supposed to play. He didn't put up huge numbers that game, but he actually gave is a very good performance for a change. The fact is, the last Buffalo game is the norm for him, and the first one is the exception. The sooner we move on from this albatross, the sooner we can have realistic hopes for sustained, consistent success week in and week out, year in and year out ... something we will NEVER get with Mark Sanchez taking the snaps.
agree or not but i believe outside of a.j. megatron and fitz the qb makes the wr more than the wr makes the qb. so last seasons below average talent,to me, show brighter the fact that we don't have a good qb. a good qb would have been able to do something,anything against the likes of arizona and tennessee and would have shown that he is not the problem but is making something happen in spite of the situation they were in. there are times where you can say the qb is good if only they had some weapons. i don't believe last year was one of those
Do you?? If so, find me the 5 or 6 weeks in a row, anywhere during his career when he gave us consistent, quality QB play. Not quality play for HIM ... I'm talking about 5 weeks where he played like one of the better QB's in the sport. A simple 5 week sample out of a 68 game career. You can look for it but you won't find it ... because it never happened. You want to do the same for some of the other good Young QB's in the league? I'm sure you could do it with no problem, and Sanchez's best work will look like dog shit next to it.
Eli had Cruz, Nicks and co. and couldn't make the playoffs. MYABE Brady and peyton could have gotten us 3 more wins and possibly in postseason but that list is very short(and if it was Peyton we'd just lose in our first playoff game anyway). You need talent to win, the examples of QBs winning w/ poor talent around them are few and far btw. I can only think of one off the top of my head- Brady '06 w/ Caldwell and Gaffney as his main weapons. You need talent to win.
You can't identify normal with Sanchez because all the pieces are constantly rotating. Since Sanchez has become a NY Jet, the one and only player that has been there start to finish is Kerley - who is a fun slash runner, but only average as a receiver... certainly not a guy to build a receiving corps around. Keller was there until this season, however he also spent most of last year hurt. Sure enough he and Holmes were both healthy in the Bills game and it showed. Its been musical chairs at WR over the last four years. The Jets had something special with the Edwards / Holmes / Kerley / B. Smith / Keller / Tomlinson / T-Rich offense.... none of those players are superstars, but the sum in conjunction with Sanchez was greater than the parts. They were the rebirth of the cardiac kids. Sanchez obviously wasn't dominating the league but he was still in his first two seasons... not many guys in the NFL are at the absolute top of their game in their first two seasons. So, having something in place that WORKED, did they build on that and bring in guys who fit similar talent molds? No. Of that group, all we have to show for it is Kerley and a broken Santonio Holmes (who is far less effective as a #1 than a #2 when healthy, as shown by two seasons ago). We took reasonable hold the fort guys and upgraded them with bloody bandaids. Yet somehow Sanchez is expected to make this not matter. Expectations are highly unrealistic in these parts.
You just don't understand the game. You are an average fan. At least 3 of those picks were like great punts. :lol: Of course he is not to be blamed for Hill dropping that pass. I'm not sure why so many people think that if he didn't drop that pass we would have won the game. We were down 3 points and would have had the ball around the NE 20. Who says we score a TD? We got the ball right back after that when NE fumbled the kick return and went 3 and out and kick a FG to tie it. He is not to be blamed for Hill dropping a pass but he is to be blames for throwing a pick in FG range and fumbling the ball when we had a chance to win in OT. No one is harping on just one game and projecting it to the rest of his career. Many are stuck on 4 playoff games in which he was carried and are projecting it through the rest of his career though.
Outside of Brady, Rodgers and Peyton show me the others 5 straight weeks? Flacco was being run out of town until the SB run, NYG fans never know if good Eli or bad Eli will show up, ask SD fans about Rivers, Hou fans about Schaub. mark has had ONE bad year, it was a year where the talent around him was the worst in the league(healthy talent).
