Joe Namath is the guy who raised the curve. He was a dominant QB from his second season on and actually pretty dominant in year one when the coaches let him be. By the time Marino came around the rules had changed enough that what he did looked dominant by the standards of today or at least close enough that we can see it. What Namath did in 1965 was pretty amazing for a 22 year old QB.
Even now, the norm seems to be start the young QB from day 1. RGIII, Tannehill, Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Wilson, Luck, Dalton, Cam and Stafford. That's 10 QBs or almost 1/3 of the league. I believe Gabbert and Ponder are young QBs who didn't start from day 1 but within the first half of the season started. Gabbert by game 2 or 3 of the season I think. I'm still of the thinking that you have a QB sit for part of their first season or longer if you don't need them, but there have been a ton of QBs grasping the NFL and the speed/difficult very quickly in their rookie year. Or you have these young QBs joining talented teams where they can be brought up to speed slowly. Sometimes you have combination like in Wilson.
The rules on young QB's have definitely changed. It used to be that if a young QB started it was in a situation where a quick hook was available and that hook was used often until the guy got his feet on the ground. Nowadays if you draft a QB in the 1st round there is almost an expectation that they will start right off the bat and very little expectation that they will get the hook once they hit the field. We just got unlucky in having one of the guys who wasn't going to work out drafted up high. We got two playoff runs with him early and that made it very hard to objectively analyze his play. If Sanchez had been drafted onto the Lions teams that Joey Harrington played on he'd have lasted two seasons as starter tops. Maybe not even getting through the second season.
I think dominant is stretching it, years 2 and 3 he threw a total of 55 INts w/ just 45 TDs but he threw for a ton of yards! he threw us out of the playoffs in 1967 also. I'm not saying Joe didn't have success early but he was far from dominant especially after costing the Jets the 1967 season.
I mentioned Marino for a reason. The Dollfins relied heavily on him and it never got them a VLT. He kinda sucked in the playoffs.
Your right Junc, as I always say on certain topics I don't agree with you, but I always respect your opinion...
If U researched Marino's record you would find that vs over 500 teams he was a under 500 QB whereas OTH on under 500 teams he was a over 500 QB :sad:
Yeah it's just so different now, but you can't blame franchises for doing it. It's working out really good for some teams and the 1st rounders are now scaled down money wise so there is less overall investment cap wise. I don't know if that trend will continue, but Sanchez so far doesn't seem to have benefited from it. He probably would have been better now if we tried to bring him slowly and not throw him in the fire. We didn't have that opportunity in 09 really unless you were going to start Clemens. No veteran on the roster. Now the Jets are in a similar spot with Geno, will be intersting to see how they let it play out.
He never had any help, he elevated mediocre teams to postseason most of his career. Thanks Matt, I feel the same way except I always agree w/ me
So according to LaCanfora guess who has the worst contract in football? http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/...nchez-just-the-start-of-the-jets-overspending
Mark Sanchez D'Brick Cromartie David Harris Santonio Holmes I think some of these are stretches but I don't research every contract in the NFL
You're stuck in the post-80's mindset. How many TD passes and Interceptions do you think most QB's threw in the mid-60's? Did you know that in Namath's rookie year only two teams had more TD passes than Interceptions thrown? Namath started 9 games that year and played in 4 others. He had 18 TD passes and 15 Int's. The only other plus QB's who started the majority of their team's games were Len Dawson (21 and 14) and Tom Flores (14 and 11). The AFL collectively threw 163 TD's and 203 Int's that year. A rookie throwing 18 TD's and only 15 Int's was a revelatory thing in those days and every bit as noteworthy as Dan Marino bursting on the scene in the midst of his rookie year. Namath went to the Pro Bowl as a rookie QB. How many times has that happened?
Canfora is kind of an idiot. If Sanchez plays well, the team owes him no future guaranteed money after this year. I guess thats what he meant as "the worst guaranteed money language from a team perspective" Tool. If..and lets not turn this into a referendum on Sanchez himself...for a moment look at his contract. If he does indeed start, and gets the Jets to he playoffs, and finally performs like the QB they tried to draft, he is signed for 3 more years, at 12.5-13 million, no guaranteed money. You tell me, is a player in Sanchez situation at that point going to runto Idziks office, to renegotiate, dropping potential salary for guaranteed money?.... I think so. You would probably be looking at salaries berween 8-10 a year, with a good portion guaranteed. Which would be a fair middle of the road price for a guy thats been one step short twice, and has since turned it around(as I said, not saying he will...the point is IF he does...) It might help if Canfora actually took the time to understand the contract. P.S. if you need more evidence that the writer is a tool, how is Tony Romo second on that list BEHIND sanchez. 3 times the cash, and remind me again whet his playoff history is? Why are you making that choking sound?!?!?
