You're obviously misunderstanding what the "haters" want. They want a QB who can function in imperfect conditions and make others around him better. The game of football is designed to take away ideal conditions, by your own admition Sanchez can't function when the conditions aren't ideal. That's why we want someone other than Sanchez: it's very hard to build a perfect depth chart in this league. We won't see a team as talented as 09/10 for a very long time, and when we do, we'll probably be able to scrape out 4 playoff wins with a piece of shit QB then too.
Of course it Jake. Defense is designed to take away Ideal conditions, but when you're starting from a half assed position, youve given away a large part already. Sparano...refused to throw to the backs. Schotty, had way too many long developing pass routes, and not enough high percentage throws. This is the first time we've had a very good OC. If you owned a business and invested something like the 5 overall pick, plus 60 odd million dollars, wouldnt it be worth it to you to find out of you can reap something from it?
Happens to be true. The Hate crowd refuses to credit Sanchez for anything. The Other side, admits he's a flawed player...we just happen to think he deserves this shot to put it together.
Sparano didn't call any throws to the backs because Sanchez is a trainwreck when throwing screens/dumpoffs to his backs. That's his biggest weakness.. That's why we've seen so many INTS by D-lineman and LBs, because he is so inaccurate on THOSE passes. Sparano wasn't a very good coordinator, but not because of that reason - he was simply handicuffed by a QB that sucked. In Miami, they threw to their backs all the time.
you see this is where both sides are missing each other. the anti sanchez crowd sees that he occasionally did some good things. that he occasionally made a nice play. they also see that he consistently made bad plays and was inaccurate and scared for the past 4 years. they have seen enough in 4 years to show them that the qb that was drafted 5th overall isnt the guy to lead them anymore. they feel that he has probably peaked and even that peak wasnt very high. they are also very very frustrated that the management team gave him a contract which makes it very hard to cut him. that is the stance, its not that everything was always his fault, just like its not a good punt on 2nd and 8 from the 37 to throw an int. both sides have gone so far to try and show the other side the reality that they see that everyone is grasping at straws adn breaking down particular plays. thats why this discussion is absurd at this point. any one play can be a good or bad play. that doesnt make a player a good or bad player. being consistently good or consistently bad is what makes a player what he is. and thus far in most peoples eyes he has been far more consistently a bad player. watching the games, dissecting the film and even looking at the numbers all signs point to middling at best over the past 4 years.
You are way off base, the anti sanchez crowd puts everything into 2012 and ignores what he did prior to 2012. The anti Sanchez crowd are the types that give up on people at the first sign of trouble. I haven't seen anyone say Mark is going to be great or that mark should be handed the job, what I am saying is he deserves a chance to win his job back and if he does the sad thing is you and all the anti Sanchez folks will be rooting for him to fail.
If Sanchez plays out of his mind against Tampa this thread will explode. However I do not see that happening.
If he does(and I hope he does) it won't mean all his problems are in the past, it would be just one step. He was great against buf week 1 last year, he needed to start w/a good week 1 this year and keep that going.
you see this is where i think you are way off base. i put just as much into 2012 as i do the rest of the years. most of the guys that i see posting are not simply reacting to a bad 2012 they are reacting to a guy who was a middling at best qb who has gone straight down hill for the past 1.5 seasons. they also realize that he wasnt even that far up the hill to start. i look at his entire 4 years, and how he as an individual did his job. not wins and losses or afccg appearances. just how he did his job. does he have good footwork? does he deliver the ball on time, does he work through his progressions, does he stand tall under pressure, does he move in the pocket to gain more time, does he hit his receivers in stride, does he put the ball on the back shoulder when necessary,can he throw the short pass with consistency, can he throw the seam, the slant, outside the numbers consistently. does he protect the ball. does he lead the team. does he have the mental makeup to be a qb in new york. and to me he doesnt do any of those things well consistently. he has shown flashes here and there but they have been few and far between. beyond the stats and afccg performances and all the other shit we both bandy about constantly.... the real question is does he play the position well or not. can he play the position well or not.
1. No one is putting everything into 2012. This is a culmination of 4 years of bad to average play. 2. No one gave up on Sanchez. It was understood that Sanchez was a raw prospect coming out of college and we gave him a pass his first 2 years. But enough is enough he's been in the league 4 years and he still can't consistently do the things necessary to be a good QB. 3. Sanchez doesn't "deserve" nothing. He's lucky he's on the Jets. If he were on another team he'd been cut by now.
this was your best post, much more fair than just posting blind #s. You may be right or you may be wrong but at least there are valid concerns in this post rather than the usual rankings post.
1. he was top 10 or so good in 2010 and helped us nearly make a SB, he played really well in both postseasons. 2. You guys gave up on him, 4 years in, one losing season where he was playing w/ below average NFL talent. 3. He deserves the chance to earn his job back, he's done a lot for our team even if many fans cannot see it.
Only in your delusional mind was Sanchez ever top 10. Who else thought Sanchez was top 10? He was average that year. Who is this "you guys" you speak of? Do you even understand WHY anyone would give up on him? He's been utter crap for the majority of his career. Like I said Sanchez doesn't "deserve" nothing
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2011/8/20/2375239/gary-myers-ranks-nfls-top-10-quarterbacks http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/11/08/trent-dilfer-is-really-bullish-on-mark-sanchez/ It's all about fantasy #s for fans like you, some day you may truly understand this game but right now you don't.
