If the Jets had scored and taken the lead and then the defense had given up the lead again in under 3 minutes then yes, that loss would be on the defense. However, The offense didn't score from first and goal on the 2. And that does put the loss on the offense, trying to shift the blame to the defense is a foolish argument at that point. You claim to watch the game, and if you watched the game you know that took the wind out of the teams sails. You claim all that matters is what your eyes see, the problem is that it's been proven time and time again that the human eye is easily fooled and prone to producing false perceptions of what really occured. I'll keep reading my box scores, my drive charts, my play by plays, AND watching the game and using that culmative information to form my opinion, rather than just the emotional and subjective viewpoint.
You have to love Hobbes' optimism. I hope Sanchez starts because me and Hobbes have a sig bet based on his assessment of the team. If Sanchez doesn't start, Hobbes says the bet it off. Hey Hobbes, I was wondering. What if Sanchez gets benched during the season? Are you going to try to back out? We were down 3 points when Hill dropped that pass. We kicked a FG to tie it. I doubt much changes even if he catches it. We would have been able to run some more clock, but NE still had all 3 TOs and most likely would have gotten the ball back in a tie game with a chance to win it. Remember that NE fumbled the ensuing kickoff. The O had the ball on the NE 18 with 2:01 left in a tie game and we only gained 3 yards. If we get 1 first down there, we win it. I would be more inclined to call that game a team loss, but I think the O deserves a little more blame than the other two units. The O turned the ball over giving NE a safety. Sanchez threw that horrible pick in FG range before the half. The O couldn't get a first down on the NE 18 in a tie game with 2:01 left. The O failed in OT. The special team allowed that 104 yard kick return TD, but they also kicked 4 FGs including the 54 yarder before the half. The D did allow the drive to tie it at the end and allowed the FG in OT, but they held the #1 ranked O to 20 points including OT. They deserve some blame, but I don't see how you can blame them anymore than the other units. The O had the ball only down 7 on two possessions. The O had the ball down 10 for 1 possession. The O had the ball down 17 for 1 possession and added 7 points to the Pitt lead. In 5 possessions they went 3 and out twice, turned the ball over for 7 points, punted on the other drive and kicked a FG when we were down 24 points. I know. We punted from our own 40 and Pitt started on their own 8 after the punt. In the AFC Champ game, Pitt had the ball on their own 41 trying to run out the clock. Let's say we held them to 0 yards and used all of our timeouts. They would still be punting from their 41 which could have pinned us deep like we did to them in the regular season game. We would have had no timeouts and most likely less time on the clock. Who said the D was blameless? How can you say Mark is the main culprit and then go on to argue that it was a TEAM loss over and over again? How can you blame the D for the Pitt loss when they had no way to win the game with a stop. You are blaming them for not giving the O a chance to win in on the last drive and ignoring the fact that the D gave them multiple chances during the whole game. You then turn around and blame the D again for the NE loss, when it was the O who had the ball with a chance to tie or win it but failed. It's that kind of SuperFan thinking that I just don't think I will ever be able to achieve. :rofl2: Thanks for filling another one of my days with laughter.
It doesn't matter how good your logic is. If you break down the games in context like I did with that 2011 2nd Phins game (Matt Moore's "the drive") and many others have done with other games it just doesn't matter. Like somebody else posted, good posters get tired of wasting their time with thoughtful analysis only to have the goalposts moved or arguments twisted by fanatics. Simple football concepts like throwing bad picks get labeled as "like good punts" and the 36 yard line becomes "near midfield" and Hobbes defending the buttfumble causes people to stop debating. And then they get labeled as "scared of debate". Nobody is scared of debate here. But it is a message board so you have to realize what is and isn't a waste of time with faceless drones. People wouldn't argue like Junc and Hobbes do in real life because it would be too embarrassing. I love a good debate where people acknowledge your good points with the expectation that you will reciprocate that. I can't wait for football to start again so I can do so with the thoughtful good posters of this forum. But I have "given up" in these Sanchez threads, aside from occasional snark, because it is simply beating a dead horse at this point.
What you're talking about is an "over a beer" pleasant conversation amongst friends. When you're in a public forum where no one knows you in the real world and can't see the face behind the words, its very easy to get dumped on when you don't follow the popular opinion / logic, making it even more likely that strongly opinionated posters will dig in and stand their ground when the entire forum is calling them an idiot. Time will tell who is actually right, but I guarantee you one thing... if Sanchez does rebound, there will be lots and lots of people coming out of nowhere claiming they knew it was going to happen and that they believed in Sanchez all along. Its horse shit, people just like to feel like they are right, and even more they like to force those that disagree with them into compliance. Its the reason why politics and religion are such taboo topics. Its not enough to know (in your own head) that you are right, everyone else has to believe it too, otherwise they are many foul things.
yeah i would say there isnt much room for me to back out of my hatred for sancho. it has been since the beginning. we have to remember that while most of the posters who are posting in this thread think sancho is a turd there are a TON of people who dont post who still believe in him. there was a poll just a month or so ago and it was amazing how many votes sancho got to be the starter at teh beginning of the season.
Rebound to what though? An awful QB to just a plain bad QB? He has always been a bottom of the league QB. The guy has zero confidence and the crowd will literally boo him mercifully all year until he crawls up until a little ball and Rex has to take him out. No one is going to argue Sanchez is a good guy but anyone would have to be insane to choose him to be a starting QB for their franchise unless they want better draft position next year.
It's not the horse's fault it's dead. It was surrounded by the worst talent level in the stable and its jockey didn't know what the hell he was doing. Also, just two years ago, it was a borderline elite horse. All it needs is a new jockey, a better saddle and some sticks that we can prop it up with so it doesn't look dead anymore. And some air freshener.
whats gonna change between now and saturday? did you not get the memo on how this june 1st cut thing works? Unless he murders somebody in between now and then, he's on roster through the first, count on it.
Its a symptom of the irrational sickness of the hater. The June 1 thing has been explained many times, at least half a dozen by me alone. Its not like they could miss it, since ...lIf you Sanchez made a good play, or he wasnt to blame for a particular moment, the post draws a dozen responses, so...,you know they are reading....:rofl2:
There's no reason to eat crow. There is not one single poster on this entire board who is 100% or even 75% correct. Both sides have valid reasons as to why they think the way they do. The difference is what factors carry the most weight with the individual. Champ gets blasted all the time for focusing solely on the Super Bowl... he's not wrong, but he puts more weight on it than most people feel is reasonable. Sanchez has played like shit: the anti-Sanchez people are totally right in this aspect. That is weighted more than the fact that he's also been surrounded by totally shit talent, which the pro-Sanchez side sees, and feels he can still be salvaged.
I was talking about the title game at Pitt. The Giants D deserves a huge share of the blame, 1. D, 2. STs, 3. O but Eli and the O deserve some blame. Eli's 25 INTs deserve a big part of the blame for losing other games too. How can you really compare a reg season game at home to a title game on the road? mark led his O to 17 pts and a double digit lead, Eli led his O to 17 pts in regulation at SF in the '11 title game. In his 2 title games and 2 SBs he led his O to an average of 18 PPG and had numerous TOs to set him up w/ great FP. We only had one TO w/ great FP. The D didn't give our O a chance to take the lead. If Bal's D last year didn't give the Ravens a chance at Den they don't even make the title game let alone win a SB. I am simply amazed how we have more access to more info than ever before and fans still rely solely on rankings and stat sheets. It's truly mind boggling.
