If Garrard was not a viable option, he wouldn't be signed. How was Smith luck? We got him right where we should have gotten him. We didn't make an ill-advised reach like Buffalo. Admit it, your boy is as good as gone. I can't wait to see the headlines. u
They signed a guy just so he could get hurt? why? Why sign something that wasn't a viable option? Why pretend to give a guy you know will fail and get hurt a chance to start? And perhaps managing to get smith after all was luck, but they wouldn't draft a QB that early for poops and giggles. They're looking at a potential replacement, if not now than pretty soon. Or is this a part of that 'appeasing the fan base while you secretly stick with the guy you know will be wonderful' plan you talked about? If they were ready to commit to him they would have just done it, publicly. He's gone after this season unless he suddenly turns into an utter beast at QB, they aren't committed to him, they're stuck with him and want to see if they can make lemons into lemonade and they will cut him next year unless everybody else is just that much of a bust and he's just that damn good. He's done some good for us, we all know that, but he's regressed and is unlikely to be a long term answer unless a miracle occurs, you have to acknowledge this.
Gerrard was all they could afford. And I'll remind you again, for the 2nd or 3rd time in this thread alone, the Jets considered taking Smith at 13 but realized noone else in the first round would take him after the 13 pick. They then attempted to trade up in the 2nd round to take smith. If you were watcthing the draft on day two early in the broadcast there were reports the Jets were trying to trade up and this was later confirmed Hint, you don't try to trade up in the second round for a player if youir comitted to the player already playing that position. So who's in denial?
Sorry Junc, No blind numbers there dude, pure situation. Jets had the ball 1st and goal on the Pittsburgh 2 yardline down by 5 points. Jets score and they have the lead. Sanchez has two incomplete passes and on one of the plays had the option to try and run in to the endzone but instead elected to throw the ball. If Sanchez was so clutch, as you claim, they score there and the defense doesn't have to try to get the ball back with 3 minutes left in the game, the defense doesn't have to be perfect in order to bail out the flailing Sanchez. Instead you blame the Defense for not being perfect in the last 3 minutes and giving Sanchez yet ANOTHER chance. No blind numbers there Junc, none at all, pure situation. Meanwhile you throw back blind numbers in an attempt to deflect, but what you forget is those comebacks you mention were all made possible by the Defense not letting the game get out of control and consistantly giving Mark short fields to work with. But keep telling yourself that Junc, it's delusional, but keep telling yourself that. Just like you keep telling yourself you win any arguments on this board.
Joe, I think you have destroyed any further nacho to Eli comparisons. If the president and Vice President of nachos fan club can't see this, football is not any where inside their skulls! There will never be a rational comment that he can use to debunk you. You choke slammed his argument. I can't wait to see his all ultimate comeback that proves you so wrong!!! It should be funny!
After suffering through the last 2 years, and especially the last year, every somewhat aware and intelligent Jet fan knows that if it's up to Rex, he is putting Sanchez in no matter what. As GM, it's up to Idzik to steer the Jets in the best direction. If he doesn't have the basic awareness and good sense to realize that he shouldn't leave it up to Rex whether or not to start Sanchez, then he doesn't have the good sense to be a successful GM, regardless of what happens with Rex and Sanchez after this year.
You are under the assumption that Rex A) Has no sense of self-preservation and B) That Rex will make the decision over his experienced OC The game is far different this year from what it was the past two seasons. Rex needs to win now. If Sanchez starts pooping in his baby boy sheets early, and Rex forces everyone to buy into Sanchez continuing to start, he is effectively signing his own Jets death warrant. I personally think he likes being Big Green BMOC too much to let that happen, and also think that if it was such a gag reflex to have someone other than Sanchez under center, he never would have let it happen in the AZ game and the game following it. Rex is already severing that connection that he and Mark have at the hip. He knows his career is bigger than a fruity diva failure QB. I'm sure you think otherwise, but you're not realistic.
Right. So, the jets knew no one else would take him...remind me again where the Jills drafted Manuel....
They signed a guy, that everyone on the planet KNEW would get hurt. After he resogned, several AFC execs said it, I said it when he was signed, as did Ray Lucas. Garrard was brought in more or less for a backup at best....
No, the Jets knew that the bills would most likely take EJ, it was not secret they were enamored with him. Again, the Jets don't try to trade up in the 2nd round if they're not serious about him contending for, or being, the starting QB. Remember how many QB's were taken ahead of Marino because of "Character" concerns? Not comparing Geno to Marino, just saying the best player often isn't the first one off the boards.
I enjoyed the tebow thing, I didn't expect it to last but he had a little magic going. He made plays to win in 2011. Do I think he was better than Mark? No, let's just look at the div rd in 2010 and 2011 on the same field and see what each guy did. I think that tells us everything we need to now but Tebow had a fun ride while it lasted. I think stats matter, I don't think we judge based solely on blind #s. Mark wasn't sucking for 3 1/2 qtrs. then coming to life for one drive like Tebow. he had moments but when it was winning time he was making big plays to help us win. I'd rather have a guy making plays to win than a stat guy who folds in big moments. Eli is not a guy who has folded often in big moments, Sanchez was kind of a lot like him pre 2012. Eli has always been pretty inconsistent but makes plays late to help his team win for the most part. Tim tebow won a division where 8 wins was good enough to win the division, the circumstances are just slightly different than having a dynasty team in your division. Any other division they miss the playoffs but in that one not only did they make it but they hosted a playoff game. You may want to stick to soccer. Learn about this game then participate intelligently in these debates rather than spend a whole post whining about people who know more about this game than you do. another brilliant whiny post from beastbeach. You used to be a good poster, unfortunately you are falling in w/ the wrong crowd here. I don't recall saying anything about them being on fire but they led us from 24 down to w/in 5 so that's pretty good. Scoring 17 in a half is good, if you score 17 a half that means you score 34 points in a game so whether that's on fire or not I don't know but they brought us back and the D helped by stopping Pitt to allow our O to come back BUT w/ the game, season and Super Bowl on the line w/ plenty of time remaining they couldn't even get the ball back to the O. Watch that Dec game, our D was gashed all game but saved by a few fortunate plays. Sanchez was excellent that game. It was just on a couple of weeks ago, I was amazed looking back how bad our D was that game and how good mark was. I knew he played well but not that well.
Eli had a chance to run out the clock, there are plenty of goats for that game. You can't absolve Eli from criticism. They were playing for a playoff spot in week 16, he threw 4 picks and they got killed. Week 17 was meaningless. Eli had not one but TWO easy dropped INts where he threw balls up for grabs and both times 2 SF DBs collided, Eli took a beating but he was not great. he was very fortunate and the Bradshaw fumble was obvious. Are you questioning Sanchez's toughness? heck in that Pitt game he got hit late while on the ground(w/ no flag of course), he also got blindsided on the "fumble", he has taken a beating through the years and always bounces back. The game changes so we have no idea how it ends, what we do know is that Mark led a tremendous comeback down 10 w/ 4 mins left and had one possession in OT needed to win the game. The game should never have gotten to OTm our K missed easy kicks, our D allowed Colt McCoy to lead a TD drive in the final minute to send it to OT. we had a TEN minute drive to start the 3rd qtr, our Kicker ended that drive missing a TWENTY FOUR yard FG. It was a 3rd and 14 and he threw it from his 40, you want a precision pass from 60 yds away after scrambling? This is why we don't look at QB ratings to tell us who was better. You know NYG was 5-2 in 2004 after 7 games and 5-4 when Eli took over, they finished that year 6-10 b/c Eli went 1-6 as a starter. In 2005 after bringing in Plax and other key FAs he and they jumped up only to be shut out at HOME in the WC rd. 2-0 in conf title games b/c his D/STs were MUCH better. D held down Favre and GB at GB, in OT they picke doff Favre to set up GW FG. In SF only pts scored in 2nd half/OT were set up by STs recovering fumbles including the fumble that set up the GW FG in OT. They had a cake division in 2011, 9 wins was enough to win it. In the playoffs his D faced 3 great offenses. 2007 NYG: TB averaged 21, allowed 14. +7 Dal averaged 28, allowed 17. +11 GB averaged 27, allowed 20. +7 NE averaged 37, allowed 14. +23 total: +48 avg: 12 2011 NYG: Atl averaged 25 PPG, NYG shut them out. +25 GB averaged 35, NYG allowed 20. +15 SF averaged 24, NYG allowed 17. + 7 NE averaged 32, NYG allowed 17. +15 total +62 avg.: +16 2009 Jets in playoffs: Cin averaged 19 PPG, allowed 14. +5 SD averaged 28, allowed 14. +14 Ind averaged 26, allowed 30. -4 total +15(against the 3 great O's NYG was at least +15 in all 3 games) avg.: +5 2010: Ind 27, allowed 16. +11 NE 32, allowed 21. +11 Pitt 23, allowed 17. +6 total +28 avg.: +9 when it was time to win NYG's D stepped up, reg season rankings are nice but it's asinine to use that when NYG's D played as great as they did in both playoff runs. don't whine about the smart fans comments, that is very tame compared to what you and others hurl at me. That was all his fault? we got a safety, got the ball back and scored and were now w/in a TD w/ plenty of time and all 3 TOs. What happened next?
Geez....enough already with the Steelers game. That game was lost in the 1st half. And Eli vs. Sancho? Please...it's not even close.
It was lost multiple times, in the first half when the D allowed them to run all over us and late in the game when the D allowed them to run out the clock. I am not saying mark is better than Eli,. clearly Eli is much better right now but in 2010 Mark was better.
2010. and I realize the average fan thinks Eli is great b/c of the 2 SB runs and the 2 undeserved SB MVPs but Eli has been an up and down QB most of his career and most of the things being said about Sanchez the last year or 2 were said about Eli. The difference is at no point did the Giants ever have healthy talent as poor as the Jets had for Sanchez last year.
