NFL.COM: Worst position groups in the NFL: Offense

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  1. themorey

    themorey Well-Known Member

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    Spoiler Alert: Jets have worst TE group. Honorable mention for QB and RB too.


    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000169313/article/worst-position-groups-in-the-nfl-offense

    Miami Dolphins wide receiver Brian Hartline said Monday morning on "NFL AM" that he was part of the best wide receiver group in the AFC East.

    This sounds outlandish until the moment you realize it is undeniably true. The other three teams in the division all have poor wide receiver groups. Which got me thinking: What are the worst position groups in the NFL?

    Since it's a Monday in May, and my family doesn't really enjoy my company, I had time to break it down. Offense up first.


    Worst tight end group: New York Jets

    Two-tight-end attacks are growing in popularity. The Jets might break out the no tight end attack. Jeff Cumberland is the starter; he's a serviceable role player who would be No. 3 on a lot of depth charts. Behind Cumberland is a former Rugby player (Hayden Smith), Konrad Reuland and someone actually named Mike Shanahan.

    Honorable mention: Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Cleveland Browns, Oakland Raiders: The Browns are counting on Rob Chudzinski to work his tight end voodoo on Jordan Cameron and Kellen Davis. ... Luke Stocker and "the other" Zach Miller highlight the Buccaneers' depth chart. ... The top four players on the Raiders' depth chart were sixth- or seven-round picks; Richard Gordon and David Ausberry are the incumbents.



    Worst running back group: Miami Dolphins

    Lamar Miller is a great fantasy football sleeper. The Dolphins expect him to make a big leap this season. But he's a second-year pro who was drafted in the fourth round and only carried the ball 51 times last year. He's also the easy choice as the best back on the Dolphins' roster because we've seen what Daniel Thomas can do. 2013 fifth-rounder Mike Gillislee also should find carries.

    Good news for Dolphins fans. This is the best position in which to not look great on paper. Speaking of ...

    Honorable mention: Indianapolis Colts, New York Jets, Tennessee Titans, Pittsburgh Steelers: The Colts made the playoffs with Vick Ballard and Donald Brown leading the way last year. Ballard is a workmanlike back with a limited ceiling, like a more explosive BenJarvus Green-Ellis. ... New pickup Chris Ivory is the best of a lackluster bunch in New York. ... The Rams don't have any big names, but they weren't listed because I like their young talent. ... Chris Johnson is too boom or bust as a runner. Adding Shonn Greene makes the Titan's attack more like boom or bust or bust.



    Worst wide receiver group: Oakland Raiders
    Denarius Moore can be a special player, but he's so rarely 100 percent when he's on the field. He shouldn't be a No. 1 receiver at this stage of his career. The Raiders will let second-year pros Rod Streater and Juron Criner battle behind Moore, with the hope the Jacoby Ford still has something to give. This group actually is better than it was a few years ago in Oakland. There is some promise, but very little production.

    Honorable mention: San Diego Chargers, New England Patriots, Buffalo Bills, Minnesota Vikings, St. Louis Rams: It was a close call between Oakland and San Diego. The Chargers' top guy is Malcom Floyd, then five more players who should be No. 3 receivers. ... The Patriots really are counting on two rookies to produce right away. ... Buffalo addressed the wideout position in the draft, but it's all a question mark after Stevie Johnson.



    Worst Quarterback group: Jacksonville Jaguars

    This is a painful choice. I was the last remaining member of the Chad Henne bandwagon, and still think he's a quality backup. He's also the best quarterback on the team, but the Jaguars are very likely to start Blaine Gabbert instead.

    The Jaguars still are hoping Gabbert can turn his career around, but what's his ceiling? In a best-case scenario, it's hard to imagine Gabbert better than a league average starter. Don't tell me about the numbers or the age. There is such a thing as an eye test, and guys who look like Gabbert for two years only turn it around so much. And that's the best case scenario. There really isn't another long-term hope candidate unless you count undrafted free agent Matt Scott.

    Honorable mention: Oakland Raiders, Cleveland Browns, Buffalo Bills, New York Jets: There's an inherent advantage in this exercise, especially at quarterback, to teams that have promising rookies. EJ Manuel and Geno Smith provide hope for the Bills and Jets, respectively. I'd even rather see what's behind door No. 2 with Matt Flynn and Tyler Wilson in Oakland than go with known mediocrities. The Browns' combination of Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell were considered, but Weeden already has shown more potential than Gabbert.

    Jaguars fans can't be thrilled with their 2013 prospects, but they should be happy their front office is willing to be patient. Reaching for the wrong QB is what put them in this mess.



    Worst offensive line: San Diego Chargers

    The Chargers have a center and a right tackle, so that's a start. But it's fair to question if rookie right tackle D.J. Fluker will be a huge asset in pass protection.

    Honorable mention: Detroit Lions, Arizona Cardinals, Chicago Bears, Miami Dolphins, Dallas Cowboys: Detroit's offensive tackle combination of Reilly Reiff and Corey Hilliard is a big concern for Matthew Stafford. ... Chicago added talent and more importantly added a better offensive coaching staff. ... The Dolphins might have downgraded this offseason from a so-so 2012 group.
     
  2. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    We have a QB (Geno) that can turn guys into legit weapons. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cumberland have a solid season.
     
  3. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    Hard to argue the TE criticism.
    We have a bunch of UDFA's, and a converted rugby player with no football experience.
    Scary thought considering the importance of the TE in this offense, and the potential our rookie QB starts.

    I disagree with the RB assessment though.
    Ivory, Goodson, and Powell may not be all pros, but i like them all in the WCO.
    Also, how can he possibly mention Tennessee as having bad backs? Tenn is slowly building a good foundation.
     
  4. themorey

    themorey Well-Known Member

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    These articles are from the same people who always peddle paper champs. Like the Bills last year or the Eagles the year before that. Hopefully our players will use it as motivation to disprove these talking heads.
     
  5. lamont_jordan_rules

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    hahahahahaha ... that is too funny ... they are judging us to be worse at RB than WR ... crazy!

    and they're lumping Ivory in with a "lackluster" description ?!?!?! ... nothing could be further from the truth ... his star has shined brilliantly (but briefly) ... at least get his drawbacks (will he be able to stay healthy ... can he handle the load of being the main guy) correct

    TE is def a big weak spot ... i believe the FO will still be looking for a training camp vet cut from another team to bring in
     
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    The RB assessment is simply laughable. TE is a big if right now.
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I agree w/ TE though I think Cumberland could be a solid #2 as he develops, I disagree w/ RBs and we have a good group of QBs w/ a solid vet, an up and down young guy and a promising rookie.
     
  8. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    I think Cumberland is pretty solid. Star he isn't, but he's isn't bad. The rest is nonsense.
     
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    I think the Jets are decent (at least not as bad as they say) at WR with Kerley, Holmes, and an improved Hill especially if they bring Braylon back.

    I'm surprised they put the Dolphins at the bottom at RB. They may not have a lot of proven guys, but the young guys they have should be decent IMO with Gillislee, Miller, Thomas, Thigpen, and maybe even Cyrus Gray who didn't play last year.
     
  10. jetsons

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    The lost genome won't even play this season.
     
  11. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Heretic :rofl2:

    Best put on the asbestos undies now.
     
  12. bucknasty

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    TE position right now for the NYJ is an embarrassment. Hopefully they will pick up a decent vet after cuts
     
  13. themorey

    themorey Well-Known Member

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    I don't see how the Jets RB situation is worse than say STL or GB. Both teams have less proven RBs or are more injury prone.
     
  14. TonyMaC

    TonyMaC Well-Known Member

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    Cumberland is alright, but I can't argue with ranking them at bottom for that.

    First thing they need next year in FA and the draft is a new God damn great Tight End, whoever it is, PAY THEM.

    The rest is suspect but our belief in the QBs and RBs is speculative at this point so I'm not surprised to see those down there either.

    This is more fair than I've seen elsewhere certainly.
     
  15. BrucekilledBoomer

    BrucekilledBoomer Active Member

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    I get liking the potential of the Jets RB group but it's more potential than production at this point. Ivory and Goodson wouldn't be the first backs to flash in limited action and just be mediocre in an expanded role. Most teams have backs that at least proved that they can carry a significant load. If the Jets aren't in the honorable mention tier then they're very close. Have to rank it that way now..but there's legitimate reason to be excited about their potential.
     
  16. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    I don't think either of those are unfair right now.

    Tight end is a weakness right now. More questions than answers there, though there are a couple young players with decent enough talent.

    I like our running back corps. But having the Jets' backups, and bringing in the Saints' 4th-stringer and the Raiders' backup does not sound great on paper. I think Ivory and Goodson have the ability to be one of the better 1-2s in the league if used correctly and if they stay healthy, but that still hasn't been proven on a consistent level.
     
  17. TNJet

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    Hell, TE was a weak spot when Keller was here. Cumberland and a vet ( hopefully: Chris Cooley) will be fine.
     
  18. HardHitta

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    TE is definitely not a good group for us. Cumberland can be a solid player but rather have a more veteran guy there as well.
     
  19. Frenbar

    Frenbar Well-Known Member

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    The Jets receivers won't be nearly as bad as they've seemed to be once they have a real qb throwing to them.
     
  20. RIPJimLeonhard

    RIPJimLeonhard Well-Known Member

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    I think it's the same reason why the Jets are in the honorable mentions, a lot of potential guys, but no one who has actually been a solid performer. Ivory, Goodson, Powell, none of them have been the #1 RB on their team, just like the Phins, a lot of guys with potential, who still have something to prove. We'll see what happens, hopefully things work out.
     

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