ESPN: DollFins having stadium issues...

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  1. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    this is the type of shit that drives me crazy, you make billions and billions of dollars but want the public to fund your stadium? i bet these cock bags would still sell psls and pass it on to the fans. these guys greed has no fucking limits... and its going to hurt the league in the long run.


    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9246386/miami-dolphins-pay-stadium-fixes-ceo-mike-dee



    Miami Dolphins CEO Mike Dee said in a television interview Sunday his team won't pay for any renovations to Sun Life Stadium after the Florida Legislature ended its session without passing any funding plan that would assist the team's quest to refurbish the stadium.

    "We cannot do this without a private-public partnership," Dee told WFOR-TV in Miami. "At this time we have no intention of investing more."

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    When asked about the long-term future of the Dolphins in South Florida, Dee said: "I wouldn't want to prognosticate what the future holds, but it's clearly bleak."

    Dee said in the interview that 73-year-old owner Stephen Ross has no intentions to move the franchise, but at some point he'll sell the team and the aging stadium will be an issue confronting the new owner.

    Dee was asked in the interview whether moving the franchise to Los Angeles now becomes an option.

    "I don't think it's an option for Steve Ross, but for a subsequent owner? The Dolphins are one of the only franchises in the National Football League that do not have a long-term lease with their community," he said.

    The refusal of the GOP-controlled Legislature to aid the team wasn't just a defeat for the Dolphins -- it could also sack South Florida's efforts to lure another Super Bowl to the region in the next few years. Miami was expected to vie, along with Santa Clara (home of the San Francisco 49ers' new stadium, opening in 2014) and Houston for Super Bowl L in 2016 and Super Bowl LI in 2017.

    "We clearly have our work cut out for us," Dee said. "Having a stadium that's competitive is probably comparable to having a good quarterback when you're playing football. You can win without one, but it's hard to win regularly, and it's hard to beat a team that's got a good quarterback. And in this case we're playing a community [Santa Clara] that has a great quarterback, a brand-new stadium. Houston has a new stadium that's been renovated, so we're going to have to work hard."

    Houston Texans owner Bob McNair said his city won't become complacent about its chances of hosting the 2017 game.

    "Certainly what happened doesn't help Miami's bid. There's no doubt about that," McNair said. "But that doesn't say that the owners couldn't decide to still go to Miami."

    Miami has hosted the Super Bowl 10 times.

    "The House leadership has made our efforts to bring the Super Bowl back to Miami and South Florida much more difficult," said Rodney Barreto, chairman of the South Florida Super Bowl Host Committee.

    Dee said the Dolphins aren't interested in a "Band-Aid" approach to renovations but instead wanted to pursue a plan to modernize the stadium that would be "tantamount to a new stadium."

    [+] EnlargeSun Life Stadium
    AP Photo/Paul SpinelliCEO Mike Dee said the Dolphins won't pay for any renovations to 26-year-old Sun Life Stadium and without help from the state to help refurbish it, the team's future in South Florida is "bleak."

    The Dolphins wanted both state and local help to pay for $400 million worth of renovations to 26-year-old Sun Life Stadium. The Dolphins wanted $3 million a year for the next 30 years from the state. Dee said Ross was committed to funding 70 percent of the cost.

    The Dolphins weren't the only sports franchise affected. Others who lost out include the city of Orlando, which was hoping for help to lure a Major League Soccer team, as well as the Jacksonville Jaguars and Daytona International Speedway.

    The professional sports teams were all backing a Florida Senate proposal that would have allowed each of them to compete for a share of state tax dollars. The measure would have created a process for pro teams to vie for $13 million a year in state incentives.

    But the House -- led by Speaker Will Weatherford -- refused to bring up the legislation.

    "I think part of the complication was the fact that it wasn't just the Dolphins," Weatherford said Friday. "You had five or six different franchises that were looking for a tax rebate, and that's serious public policy. You're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars, and I think the House just never got comfortable there when the session ended."

    But the defeat was especially stinging for the Dolphins because the team had already agreed to pay for a Miami-Dade County referendum on whether to raise local bed taxes to assist the team. The initial Senate bill authorized the use of the taxes. The failure of legislators to act makes the May 14 ballot question meaningless, even though early and absentee balloting had already begun.

    "We suspect that it's a pure political decision, that [Weatherford is] choosing politics over the right for the voters of Miami-Dade County to decide this issue, and that's a shame," Dee said.

    The Dolphins could try again next year for legislative approval, but they may have burned that bridge with their criticism of Weatherford.

    "He'll still be the speaker of the House next year," Dee said, "and I don't see him changing his opinion."
     
  2. BeastBeach

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    This isn't just the Dolphins. Many NFL stadiums are in large % publicly funded.

    http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com/assets/docs/stadium/DES-recent-nfl-stadiums.pdf

    Ross actually went deep into pocket and was willing to pay for 70% himself. Plus the public benefits greatly from this as it brings in a ton of outside money for local businesses

    That Weatherford guy was basically playing politics and cockblocked it before the public could even vote on it.

    Funny how the Bucs are 100% publicly funded but this guy made us an issue over 30%.
     
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  3. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    they all used to be publicly funded to a certain extent. then tehy started this whole cockamamie psl bullshit and started funding the stadiums for the most part themselves.

    they should all be funded privately. these cocksuckers arent giving money back when bon jovi comes to play there... its insanity for them to think that the city and state should put money into their cash cow.
     
  4. Passepartout

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    Just IF they leave Miami, imagine the uprorar the Fins fans will have for the team! As they will do anything AND everything to keep their Dolphins there!
     
  5. Bills over Jets

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    From that article, it would really help to get Jacksonville the hell out of Florida. The proposal wasn't just for the Dolphins, it included millions of dollars for all the florida franchises, and the legislature just couldnt commit hundreds of millions to all these teams. Get Jacksonville out, and thats one less mouth sucking at the money tit.

    How in the world did "jacksonville, florida" get a team anyway with Tampa and Miami in the same state?
     
  6. BeastBeach

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    I mean I see where you are coming from. But at the same time, Florida has no state income tax so I think that should make people more willing to pitch in because football draws in so much money for local businesses.

    Helping Miami get a SB is certainly in the best interest of the public because that draws in an assload of money.

    I should admit I am no expert on the subject and I don't live in Florida so I'm probably biased. All I'm saying is, at least let the public vote on it.

    Lmao I wondered the same thing.
     
  7. fltflo

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    Guys,
    After the whole marlins deal (screwing) I don't think FL pols want to be involved with any sports construction for awhile.
     
  8. Don

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    You could say the same about why the push to get LA a team with San Francisco, Oakland and San Diego in the same state..stupid argument.
     
  9. Harpua

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    Yea, it's shocking that a city with over three times the population of Buffalo has an NFL team. Your just lucky you have the kind people of Toronto coming down to support your team.
     
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    Yeah, because the cities of LA and Jacksonville, Florida are so similar.
     
  11. Bills over Jets

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    Thank you for proving my point. Buffalo three times less people, yet is more supportive of the team. Jacksonville has to fudge attendance records, black out entire sections of games so the reporting numbers look better, and have been talking about moving the team for the last 5 years. Its not about the population, its about the support (see LA).
     
  12. alleycat9

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    florida for whatever reason just does not support their teams. unless they are winning big there is just no support.

    the marlins definitely screwed the pooch on this one. they really really left a bad taste in everyones mouth after that fucking fiasco.

    they do bring in money, a superbowl will bring in a ton of money. but only a quick burst and then its back to usual. the majority of the money goes to the owner, sure you have all those people gainfully employed as vendors and ushers and maintenance and stuff but those might as well be jobs at the local walmart, they are tough to live on. so yeah it puts alot of money in but how much help is it? its seems to be paying alot to bring in a little to me.
     
  13. BeastBeach

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    Ha yeah...The biggest thing that will help keep the stadium in Miami is winning football games
     
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    Ummm... Buffalo has to blackout multiple games a year and sacrifice a game to another country for shit's sake. I'm not saying Jacksonville is a great place for a football team, but let's not act like Buffalo is doing MUCH better or anything... similar support, less population, older stadium, etc. I'd say they are on equal footing.
     
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    Dolphins CEO is just doing his job, appealing for public funding with a worst case scenario attached to it.. this enhances their chances of emotional backing for the funding.

    They'll get their help from the government somehow down the line and the Miami Dolphins aren't going anywhere. Now if they could just get less gay uniforms they'd be all set.
     
  16. BeastBeach

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    Alot of people are calling for the CEOs job for "mishandling" this situation. I haven't kept up with this enough to know what they are referring to specifically.
     
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    This is in part a repercussion of the Marlins fiasco.

    Personally, I hope their uniforms get gayer. The gayer the better. Like pink tuttu gay, would be a nice touch. I can see tannehill scrambling around for his life in that.
     
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    LA teams were actually near the top of the league in attendance, both teams moved because they couldn't get public financing for new stadiums.
     
  19. stinkyB

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    The Jags haven't blacked out a game in 3 years..... and had better attendance than both the Dolphins and Bucs, despite possibly being the worst team in the league.

    btw, to answer your 1st question Miami and JAX are over 300 miles apart
     
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  20. Br4d

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    The problem the Fins have is that there isn't really room for two teams in Southern Florida. The Bucs have the benefit of being able to draw from a wider population area, with just south and southeast Florida falling into the Fins main draw area. They still have issues selling out though.

    New Orleans, Atlanta and Jacksonville are minor aggravating factors as well with people midway between the Fins and those teams more likely to go with the more successful franchise.

    Ultimately The Fins are probably going to move. If not the Bucs will.
     

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