Personally I like the two picks although at first I couldn't understand the Sheldon pick, but now the dust has settled am really comfortable with it. The Dee pick...well I had a feeling we might have gone DB so wasn't too surprised. Both picks were needs and I believe we drafted BPA as well. According to reports on NYJets.Com both players were in their (Jets) top 4 players, so you have to think this fits in well with the masterplan. So how do you rate the picks ?
I'm fine with Milliner at 9. I don't like the Richardson pick. I would've much rather taken Jarvis Jones, a true pass rushing specialist or Tyler Eifert, a potential pro bowl TE for years to come. Richardson was neither the BPA, the best value or the biggest need for the Jets at 13.
B- Good players by all accounts. Doesn't change the fact that we continue to ignore making any real investment in the offense.
Both great impact players. My only question is the scheme fit with Richardson, but Rex is a defensive genius he'll put him in a position to succeed.
I've changed my opinion on the picks. I can't question the FO's talent evaluation so their philosophy (get the best players that will be around for the NYJ that don't suck in 2-3 years) is how I'd grade the picks.
The more I think about it, the more I like each selection... Coples, Wilkerson and Richardson will make for some kind of a defensive line. I'm reading that Richardson is a guy who even dropped into coverage at times at Missouri. A lot of youth and speed there. Guess we can't really judge for a few seasons though
Any time that you pick the top players on your board at your pick it's an A pick. All the people complaining about the picks are ignoring the fact that reaching for need is the worst thing you can do in a talent market where the teams with the best talent are generally the teams still in the running at the end. Would reaching up their board for Warmack and ignoring the fact that a higher-rated player Milliner was still out there have balanced things for the Jets a bit better? Probably, but they'd have been reaching if they did that. Everybody in that room would have known that they took a player they valued less because of a positional need. Newsflash: reaching for need is exactly how the Jets got in trouble in the 80's and early 90's.
We didn't fill our needs, but good teams are built on drafting the BPA. These two players were in the top 4 on the Jets big board (FYI: Tavon Austin was also there). I trust that a professional scouting service knows more than I do. I"ll trust their judgement. B
b4rd i think that warmack was so close in value that it wouldnt be a reach. he was selected next after all not 6 or 8 picks down. i also think value wise he is MORE valuable than milliner. a quality road grading o lineman is always a HUGE thing to be able to get your hands on.
If you asked me last night I would have said a D or maybe a C- at the best. I've cooled off a bit and now I see the value in the picks and have a bit more faith that Rex will be able to figure out something that works. So I went with a B because we got very good players that can be starters and (hopefully) difference makers but not higher because they weren't in areas of need so I don't feel like our actual team has improved from a few weeks ago (gotten worse, actually, if you factor in Revis leaving but I don't want to beat a dead horse).
A tackle is worth more than a CB. A guard not so much so. If they'd had the two of them fairly even and Warmack was a tackle well then maybe you take the tackle all day long.
It's not just about BPA. It's being able to combine BPA with value along with your team's needs. Furthermore I think there were higher rated people on the board than Richardson at 13. If the Jets had him on the top of their board then their scouting may come into question. If it was really about BPA and addressing the team's biggest need then Jarvis Jones should've been the Jets pick at 13. They need an edge rusher much more than they needed an interior D linemen and their value was about equal.
I'm not super high on them for these reasons... A) We failed to fill needs and while not luxury picks Millner has injury concerns and nobody really knows where Richardson fits on the DL. Are we cutting Ellis? Are they already giving up on Coples? Who is our edge rusher? B) We failed to aquire more picks, while this isn't entirely the fault of the Jets I don't really know how much effort went into it. C) I don't believe Idzik when he says these were "two of the top 4 guys on our list" If the 3 tackles, Jordan and Austin weren't all rated ahead of these guys I question our talent evaluaters... oh wait Terry Badway is still around so should I be surprised? That being said as a player I think Richardson is explosive and versatile but does he fit? Does Rex realize it is impossible to win a Super Bowl winning games 13-7? I understand the thought process of BPA but is drafting a CB with injury concerns more important than drafting a probable 10 year solid guard who also happens to fill a need?
I gave the first round a B- for the simple fact that we didn't draft any of our MAJOR needs. I would have been much happier with Milliner and Jarvis Jones. I hope Richardson proves me wrong tho
i gave it a B+ Impact players, stayed true to their board, and didn't wind up with Mingo or other 'high potential' guy. Only reasons not an A, is they weren't able to pull off a trade. Also, i have some concerns on how to incorporate Richardson into every down schemes, but i do have trust in Rex to maximize his impact.
I believe your entire post is accurate. Its just very difficult not to be apprehensive about a team has been offense negligent for years. There are plenty of other teams who have found a way to acquire a franchise QB and then put the pieces around that QB to help them grow and have a reasonable chance at reaching for the sky. The Jets pick offense a la carte when the mood fancies them, without any sort of developmental plan or strategy. This may be different under Idzik moving forward, but day 1 did absolutely nothing to dispel that notion.
No, it really is about BPA. We're Jets fans so we over-rate reaching for need because we've seen the Jets do it so many times over the years. Richardson is the anti-DRob pick. The Jets just sat in place and took the highest rated guy on their board instead of trading up and expending a lot of value to pick a player at a position of need. Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled too it. I had Richardson at #10 on my board, an opinion I am entitled too, and so I am happy with the pick. Even if I had Richardson 15th, like some of the scouting sites, I'd be giving the Jets the benefit of the doubt right now. Taking a player who was not at an obvious position of need (although the Jets did lose Pouha and Devito and only signed Garay to replace them) suggests to me that Richardson really was pretty high on their board. My gut tells me that both Star Lotulelei and Jarvis Jones were off the Jets board due to health concerns. The Jets wanted to make non-risky picks in the first year of the rebuild and health issues are risky. Milliner did not miss a game at Alabama and played at a very high level through a lot of pain. That bodes well for him surviving the NFL grind. You cannot teach toughness.
The Bengals are a perfect example.... They already drafted Green when they drafted Dalton but they had in mind that they would draft Green and than Dalton. They add Jermaine Gresham and Mo Sanu They sign a decent RB Ben Jarvis-Law Firm This year they add Eifert.. all of a sudden the Bengals have a pretty solid offense and while not at the level of New England, Denver or the Texans they will be in the mix for a division title and if things fall their way could win a game or two in the playoffs. They have done exactly the opposite of what the Jets did with Sanchez which of course explains why the two teams have gone in opposite directions the last two years. Does anybody really believe that coming out of college that Andy Dalton would be a better QB than Sanchez? Probably not but the Bengals have given the ginger haired QB weapons to be succesful.
We don't really know the context on that statement. As of the 8 pick those could have been the top 4 players on the Jets board. In which case they got the players in exactly the right order: Austin goes 8 in the trade up, Milliner goes 9 to the Jets, Warmack goes 10 behind them, Richardson goes 13 to the Jets.
