I understand what's being reported, but I wonder if there is another trade partner out there who is waiting for more info on Revis' knee, draft slots etc. This whole dance with TB has been really weird.
In years past I'd have said no way, because the Jets had trouble keeping a secret. This year? Maybe, if the other team was also very tight-lipped.
There are a few issues with this: 1) reports are they are willing to give up the 13th pick this year 2) it's not impossible that another suitor will come out 3) it's not absolutely mandatory the Jets trade Revis, so if the Bucs overplay their hand they might end up with nothing 4) There is a lot of pressure on the Bucs to get this done, from all the reports I've read they are being criticized for not spending enough money, they aren't bringing in elite talent and they had among the worst pass defense in the league last year...bringing in Revis solves all those problems, so if they walk away with nothing someone is getting axed Is it possible a trade happens after the draft? Absolutely, but I don't think it affords any additional leverage to the Bucs.
If the only issue is whether they want to overload the team this year then they wait until after the draft. Jets can't ask for the 13 or any other picks this year if they've already been used. The only way the Jets can force a trade into the draft this year is if they have at least two teams bidding.
I think #2 is the gamble that we're making right now. I don't think #3 is correct and I doubt any other teams think it is, either. If the Jets don't trade Revis and don't pay him big money, he's going to walk and we're getting nothing. Woody has made it clear that he doesn't want to pay Revis, so it's trade or bust. In terms of #4, since when does public pressure matter? No matter how much we gripe about things, the Jets are going to do what they do regardless. The Bucs have already spent money on improving their secondary, bringing in an All Pro safety and bringing back Wright. If they don't trade with us, they will start the season with at least two new DBs than they had at the end of the season as well as any players they draft. Any criticism the team is getting from fans or media will be overshadowed by the excitement of the players that get drafted and the start of training camp.
Do you think the price would the price go up or down by August? I know that draft picks in later years are worth less point wise in the draft, but I'm not sure how that holds up if you wait until August. I wouldn't mind waiting a year for the picks if it were a much better deal. I would love 2014 and 2015 #1s, but that is probably asking too much and doesn't address the immediate needs of the team. That would be a great matchup. Teams in his division should be thinking about that as Revis has historically played well against Calvin Johnson.
There will likely be more teams in play over the summer as Revis recovery is on display. There's also a chance an injury elsewhere opens up a need. If you're the Jets you need to maximize return on Revis and a couple of picks isn't maximizing return unless they are very good picks. The NFC is full of great QB's at the moment. The East has Eli Manning, Tony Romo and RGIII. The North has Rodgers, Stafford and Cutler. The South has Brees, Ryan and Newton. The West has Kaepernick and Russell and they're the slacker division in that regards. I think Revis to the North or South are the moves that make the most sense because that's where the great QB's are clustered.
If I were Idzik I would say fine, but the price goes up after the draft. We will want more 2014 picks than we are asking for in 2013. If they really want him they would have to think about that
The way to do this is to establish clearly the 2013 compensation required before the draft and then also what you would be willing to take afterwards which is necessarily larger. The problem is that the Jets may not want to push the Bucs to make a definitive choice at this point. If the Bucs jump off the Revis bandwagon then the Jets are back to building up the market this summer from scratch. It's a dance.
For #3 at this point it's all hearsay that Woody doesn't want to pay Revis, he hasn't "made it clear" he hasn't made any public statements saying he's not coming back. He maybe didn't want to pay him $15mil but if the market for CBs has shown this year it should be that high. Maybe behind the scenes that's the truth but only a select group of people would know that. For #4 it isn't just public pressure, it's the GM trying to keep his job. He has to keep his bosses happy and the only way to do that is to win games and bring in big crowds. Revis helps them do that a lot more day one then a draft pick. So if he had the opportunity to improve the team and failed to do so then his bosses are going to be pissed off and he could get fired.
For the record, I'd trade Revis the the Patriots.... . . . . . . . . for all of their 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016 draft picks.
I think that there is and come the draft somethings coming out of left field to push up the anti. I think a lot of Poker partners of Idzek walk around without shirts on :wink: Yep, and we get to keep the best corner in the NFL. Idzek is in no hurry and thats probably his/our greatest bargaining chip.
Citing a source close to the situation, NFL Draft insider Tony Pauline reports there's a "75 percent chance" the Jets will trade Darrelle Revis next week. We feel the chances are closer to 100 percent, but this is Pauline's report. The gap in compensation is minimal in Jets-Bucs negotiations, and Tampa has essentially already agreed on contract terms with Revis. The only real hangup is the final bit of draft-pick return, which when finalized will allow the Bucs to put Revis through a physical at their own facility. Meantime, we'd recommend adjusting any mock drafts to put the Jets on the board at No. 13 overall. Getting closer. If it's a 1st, 3rd and 5th, it's golden. Anything on top of that and Idzik has hit it out of the park. If he can include Sanchez in the package he should get a Nobel Prize.
Now with the schedule the way it is, I'd feel leery of trading Revis to Tampa Bay. I hope that a surprise trade partner comes out
I would be happy with the first alone, the 3rd and 5th are "nice to have's" but I wouldn't not pull the trigger for them alone and face getting nothing next season - my #1 preference would be to sign Revis to a good CB contract but that doesn't seem like it will work - he wants a top tier QB contract and no DB is worth that kind of money (IMO)
I suppose it could still happen theoretically as late as Monday if Tampa will be giving them their own physical but when it didn't happen Friday I started to think it won't be happening in time for this upcoming draft.
Talent wise you're correct. However, the market dictates the REAL value. If there is really only one suitor at this point, then that really effects his market value. I would be slightly disappointed in only a 1st. However, I believe Idzik will get more back. My feeling is that anything in addition to the 1st will come in 2014. Bottom line from my perspective, I would rather get something than get nothing. Having Revis in 2013 and him leaving for a 3rd round compensation pick in 2015 is a MUCH larger disappointment in my eyes.
Can we put a provision in the trade that states Revis must be inactive until at least week 2? Lmao week 1 might suck for Gang Green.
